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Pedaleur

Yes, but in the realm of public opinion (whatever that is worth), it will be relatively easy to discredit Landis's claims. He himself said early on that he was offered leniency if he'd just finger Armstrong. He could stand to make a pile of money from a tell-all book. He's a proven liar. Etc., etc.

Not saying it's legitimate, but the defense from the Armstrong camp is pretty simple.

Pass the popcorn.

achoo

We can only hope. Canseco's the only one who's been consistent on steroids in baseball.

The same sanctimonious writers who won't vote for Mark McGwire to go into the Hall of Fame are the same ones who gave McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds all those MVP votes, and Roger Clemens all those Cy Young votes.

Either those writers knew and they're hypocrites, or they didn't know and they're stupid.

And those aren't exclusive. Go through the archives at FireJoeMorgan.com and see how bad a lot of big baseball writers really are. Being just hypocritical and stupid would be a step up for way too many of them.

The fact that Canseco's tales are as close to truth as we'll ever hear from anyone involved in baseball just highlights how sordid those people really are when it comes to PEDs.

I doubt cycling's any different. Or football. Or basketball (geez, now THERE'S a sport where the faster recovery PED use gives would really help a player....)

DXchulo

Where's EURO when you need him? I bet he's getting a kick out of this. I'll leave it to somebody else to bump some old threads so we can get a good laugh at the comments from those rabid Floyd defenders. To all the Lance fans: Your day will come soon enough, so I'd tone it down.

On a more serious note, it's one thing to say, "I don't know how this got in my body" or "I unknowingly took the stuff" and just kind of sweep it under the rug like a lot of baseball players have done, but for Floyd to have been so in our face about how he was innocent and UCI was evil and out to get him takes it to another level. I mean, the guy wrote a book that admittedly read like propaganda, but that's a long way to go to tell a lie. Then he went on and on about how much money he had to spend to fight "the man," which was obviously a lie. What about all those people who donated to his cause? Talk about a slap in the face.

gear

Landis was caught doping, he said he didn't dope. Now he said he did and so which is the lie. Thats the credibility issue.

SteelCan

I'd still read the book which is either already in the works or will be (though I will be sure not to buy it)

Eclectus

Who cares if Lance was doping? Poor boy born in federal projects to adrug-enhanced p high school mother, became multi-time TdF winner and multi-millionaire. Total American success story. I saw Barry Bonds crack a dinger. Wow! Drug-induced? I dunno. We voyeurs just like to se this sh**.

DXchulo

I see EURO did come back. Too funny.

Think about all the heat Vino has taken recently. Vino may not have been apologetic, but at least he didn't go in all out liar denial.

We can hate Ricco for generally being a scumbag (Remember him dumping the mother of his child for her own drug use?), but isn't what Landis did to Greg LeMond 10 times worse?

WheresWaldo

At the very least Landis will now have one friend in Lemond.

Blaireau

At first I thought all his defender's on this forum (and there are plenty...) would realize their mistake, but after a moment's reflection I now realize they would rather turn on him... The time to question Flyo Flandis's credibility was when he was lying, not when's he's finally telling the truth!

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Metzinger

Did you mean to create a new thread to make that statement?

FlashBazbo

I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I say!

(Back when I was a young cyclist with dreams of racing glory, I remember being horribly disappointed when more than one of my TdF heroes claimed that nobody had ever won the TdF without some kind of chemical enhancement. It wasn't the big deal that it is today -- just a matter-of-fact statement with nobody in trouble. That was the late 70's / early 80's. Is it less true in the intervening years? I doubt it.)

Roadierookie

Nothing will come out of this. Landis is a moron and even though he may be telling the truth, there will be nothing proven from his words. Seems like he wants the whole ship to sink with him.

do-well

smartest comment I've ever read on BF. Granted, the bar was extremely low.

Blaireau

What is staggering is that Flyod's defender's now turn on him! Talk about being in denial: the time to question his credibility was when he was lying through his teeth, not now.

Truth tellers are usually detested by US cycling fans (Lemond, Millar, Kimmage, etc...), it is too bad because they are the ones helping the sport long-term.

jemsurvey

I would not believe a single word Landis has to say.....

botto 

incorrect.

gsteinb

and to anyone who says he's bitter....



duh



he did the program. won the race. bought the bills of goods that said he'd get the title back. then bought the bill of goods that said he could race if he did the time. now he's wallowing on yet another domestic crit team. if most guys are getting away with what your life unraveled over you'd be bitter too. of course, one of these asshats should blow the whistle before their life unravels.

Grumpy McTrumpy

Coppi before him too

FlashBazbo

Feel free to correct me, Botto. Who was the first to say it and what was the year? Maybe I was just reading something that had been said earlier.

rangerdavid

has been............

Blaireau

When Jacques Anquetil said the above, it was a big deal, a scandal even. But he kept racing no one banned him. And he said this in the 1960's, not late 70's --fwiw.

SteelCan

Sounds broke.

FlashBazbo

I'm sure he's not one of those I read about. I guess my contemporary heroes were repeating and renewing the statement. (I wasn't racing in the 60's.)