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Old 07-09-10, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
Y'all can keep pretending that age doesn't affect riders but the reality is that in the last 40 years only four riders over 30 have won the TDF
Yeah, one of them being LA who you're saying can't win because he's over 30. LOL.
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Old 07-09-10, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by colombo357 View Post
Yeah, one of them being LA who you're saying can't win because he's over 30. LOL.
The oldest winner ever was 36 and that was 80 years ago. I don't see Sir Lance breaking that record.

He's 39. In cycling terms that make him a dinosaur.

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Old 07-09-10, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
Y'all can keep pretending that age doesn't affect riders but the reality is that in the last 40 years only four riders over 30 have won the TDF and no one over the age of 36 has EVER won.
they will stop when they see Contador's first attack Sat. or Sun.



someone throw Levi a burger and milkshake - dude is skinny

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Old 07-09-10, 03:04 PM
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speaking of old dudes, Alessandro Petacchi is 36 and looked pretty well preserved winning two stages so far
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It's only the first week for chris' sake.
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I'm still on the upward learning curve for all of this but here's my opinion. Contador is obviously the favorite and it may be difficult to put time into him. At 50 sec. back Lance will at least have to gain some time either in the Alps (which I think will be Sun. or Tues.) or somewhere in the Pyrennes.

Can Lance ride away from AC in the mountains to gain time....guess we'll have to wait and see He may have a stronger team but it seems AC could probably just hang on to whoever goes and not lose more time.

I just don't want the tour to be over before stage 17 or the final TT.
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Old 07-09-10, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by erader View Post
how many stage wins are you predicting?

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I'm going way out on a limb and saying zero.
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Old 07-09-10, 03:51 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but an old guy coming in 3rd, after having taken two years off, was a bit impressive last year, yes?

I'm not suggesting an old guy will win this year, I don't think one will, but just sayin...

And my original post had more to do with making up the time gap the Shack now faces, and not can old guys compete :-) I have since been schooled on the time gap by some of you. Thanks!
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Old 07-09-10, 04:35 PM
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"Done?" The GC race hasn't even started yet.

The Rat may do quite well this year; regardless of age they have a good lineup. Kloden, Levi, and let's not forget Popovych. The key question in my mind is how well Astana, particularly Vino, are lined up behind Contador this year.

And, of course, luck always plays a part. All it takes is one unlucky crash, and some team or another is out of the GC....
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Old 07-09-10, 05:05 PM
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Lance has no shot at winning. This is not because of stage 3, this is because he never had a shot. The real discussion should be "Did Lance hurt his chances at a podium place."

The only way TRS wins a stage is if Lance is so clearly out of the picture that someone else is free to go for a stage win. I don't see that happening.
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Old 07-09-10, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by roadrider63 View Post
I'm still on the upward learning curve for all of this but here's my opinion. Contador is obviously the favorite and it may be difficult to put time into him. At 50 sec. back Lance will at least have to gain some time either in the Alps (which I think will be Sun. or Tues.) or somewhere in the Pyrennes.

Can Lance ride away from AC in the mountains to gain time....guess we'll have to wait and see He may have a stronger team but it seems AC could probably just hang on to whoever goes and not lose more time.

I just don't want the tour to be over before stage 17 or the final TT.
wasn't that question answered last year? if RS has a chance i would think it would be levi, who did not peak early this year because the ATOC was in may.

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Contador only had Lance trying to f him last year...this year he has Lance and Vino working against him.
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Old 07-09-10, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by roadrider63 View Post
I'm still on the upward learning curve for all of this but here's my opinion. Contador is obviously the favorite and it may be difficult to put time into him. At 50 sec. back Lance will at least have to gain some time either in the Alps (which I think will be Sun. or Tues.) or somewhere in the Pyrennes.

Can Lance ride away from AC in the mountains to gain time....guess we'll have to wait and see He may have a stronger team but it seems AC could probably just hang on to whoever goes and not lose more time.

I just don't want the tour to be over before stage 17 or the final TT.
Nope. Nobody on TRS can ride away from AC. The bigger issue for TRS will be if they can even hang on when AC attacks A. Schleck and C. Evans. Everyone on TRS will climb with the leaders group well. At least until the big attacks come, then they'll drop off. Evans can climb, but he can't handle the big accelerations. Basso might be a factor in the mountains, but he's already down on time. Same with Menchov. It will be interesting to see Andy one on one with AC. He usually has his brother to help him. So he's the bigger question because he has to get time on AC before the ITT.

I think if AC attacks early in the mountains and gains time on everyone, JB will let guys go out on breakaway to try and get a stage win. Maybe have someone work they're way into a podium spot. That's about all they'll have going for them.
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Old 07-09-10, 05:48 PM
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Did somebody mention that this is only the first week of the TDF? While I'm doubtful that Lance can pull off number 8, its still kinda early to be predicting Radio Shack's demise.
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Old 07-09-10, 05:50 PM
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When LA lost time on Stage 3, I thought (and still think) that he lost le Tour. I don't see him putting time on AC, only staying even and taking a few seconds here and there. Those 7 seconds were golden!

But don't underestimate Lance. He may not be able to accelerate with Alberto - no one can - but he's still one of the best climbers in the world. He'll be right there at the finish line.
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Old 07-09-10, 05:55 PM
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My guess is that Contador and Vino will try to go for 1st and 2nd. LA doesnt look like ok, neither his team.

Basso is just waiting in my opinion, everybody knows what his team can do based in the Giro 2010. Tomorrow they should show something.

Team RS? is in problems in my opinion. Lets see.
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Old 07-09-10, 06:08 PM
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I've a feeling Armstrong has yet to pull something out of his ass, he's not done yet
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Team Radioshack is going to win La Toure De La Frenchies
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Originally Posted by erader View Post
how many stage wins are you predicting?

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The team classification is not decided on stage wins, it is decided by the finishing time of its top 3 riders. I think Radioshack could be one of the best teams, and could stand to win the team classification if nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Christopher View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong but an old guy coming in 3rd, after having taken two years off, was a bit impressive last year, yes?

I'm not suggesting an old guy will win this year, I don't think one will, but just sayin...
Yes, there is no question that it was impressive but you are forgetting that Lance was baby sat by Contador up all the big mountains except when AC attacked to get back time on LA. Lance keeps saying that AC was ungrateful to the team but on the big climb last year it looked to me like AC was looking after LA so he would be able to get third place. Seems to me that LA has been a bit ungrateful too.
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A bit early but I pretty much agree with the guys saying them winning the yellow was unlikely to begin with.
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Contador will be hard to beat. If Lance wants to win we will find out tomorrow. 30 seconds to one minute down usually is not a big deal, but this year it is due to the riders ahead of him. If Lance really wants to win he will have to be very aggressive, and it should be fun to watch. Contador will be hard to crack, but chicken cracked him in 2007, but he has more experience now. This is going out on a limb, but what I have seen from Contador is massive acceleration, but he only has a few of those in the tank. Of course Frank and Andy attacked like mad last year, and he covered, and countered, so maybe I am wrong.

I suspect the only way to catch him is separate him from his team on the second to the last climb, and then attack on the flats before the last. Vino looks strong though, and has been a much better teammate than he had last year.

I really think the race is for second, but it is too early to see the form of the riders. Cadel looks strong, Andy has looked shakey at times. It may be fun to watch.

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I agree that Lance tried to screw over Contador last year, but please give one example of AC baby sitting. Lance did nothing for AC and AC did nothing for LA.

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Yes, there is no question that it was impressive but you are forgetting that Lance was baby sat by Contador up all the big mountains except when AC attacked to get back time on LA. Lance keeps saying that AC was ungrateful to the team but on the big climb last year it looked to me like AC was looking after LA so he would be able to get third place. Seems to me that LA has been a bit ungrateful too.
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Hey all, I'm pretty new here, but thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

First off, I would love LA to win this year, anyone has to admit the spectacle would be amazing! And publicity for the sport would be huge.

I have to agree with Keith99 in regards to TRS not being "in control of their own fate." The mechanicals on the cobbles for LA were very bad news, but he did a great job of mitigating his time loss. Problem is, unless AC has some kind of mishap, I can't see how TRS/LA can take time off AC in the climbs. Last year even LA stated that AC's climbing numbers were better than his own when he himself was in his prime. If TRS/LA are able to take time of AC, the team tactics to do it would be so great to watch.

I disagree with a lot of people's opinion that TRS's/LA's age is such a huge factor...it IS a factor, in as much as LA of 4-5years ago, would beat LA of today, but how can you deny that he still rides with the elite? 3rd overall last year is still 3rd overall last year no matter how you slice it. 2nd in the Swiss this year was excellent (and yes I know certain names weren't there).

I'm also curious to see how well CE does (I was a huge fan of his in his Mountain Biking era, same with Ryder H.), but he'll need some serious team support to advance in the GC, let alone stay where he is. I don't know if they have it.

I'm also hoping Andy isn't affected mentally, by Frank's crash as much as people seem to be thinking...they're brothers not boyfriends. However, physically, Frank really was his right-hand-man last year when things got tough.

Anyways, I'm getting off topic...my opinion is TRS is not out of it as of now. If they can't get significant time back for LA by the end of Wed. stage then they are out of the top 3. (Yes, I do think LA had a chance at 1st in the GC if he had no mechanicals on the cobbles, and AC did as poorly as people thought he would). JMO

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