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Old 07-12-10, 06:43 AM
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Probably shouldn't post this stray thought but, here it is: Since Floyd has decided to rat everyone out and WADA has taken an interest, does Lance really want to win this TDF? Does he really want to be under the microscope?
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he'll finish unless he's really badly injured....
truthfully he should have retired last year. It's not like 37 year olds don't compete, but they aren't usually going for the overall...sprinters often have long careers for example. But they just want stage wins and don't care about the mountains and often don't even finish! it's different when you're trying to compete with 25 year olds, in the mountains, in the heat. He's not too old to compete but he can't have the same goals as when he was 27.
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I wonder if Tyler Farrar can get over his injury and start winning stages like Cavendish. Would that make the general American public continue to take notice of cycling? Or does the average Joe only care about having an American win the grand tours?
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Originally Posted by hurley.girl View Post
IOr does the average Joe only care about having an American win the grand tours?
Only about an American winning the TDF.
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Originally Posted by foamy View Post
Probably shouldn't post this stray thought but, here it is: Since Floyd has decided to rat everyone out and WADA has taken an interest, does Lance really want to win this TDF? Does he really want to be under the microscope?
Lance will be under the microscope whether he wins or not.

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I wonder if Tyler Farrar can get over his injury and start winning stages like Cavendish. Would that make the general American public continue to take notice of cycling? Or does the average Joe only care about having an American win the grand tours?
Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
Only about an American winning the TDF.
I would tend to agree with Laggard on this one. There may be a mild interest in Farrar winning stages and/or the Green Jersey (next year or later for the jersey), but it won't be on the level of interest generated by Armstrong. Americans love a monumental comeback against tremendous adversity. It's not just that Lance won the Tour, but that he did so after beating advanced stage cancer.

Greg LeMond was chosen as Sports Illustrated's Athlete of the Year in 1989, after he recovered from a life threatening hunting accident to win the Tour by just 8 seconds. While LeMond's first win at the Tour in 1986 garnered national attention, there was even more interest after his comeback from the hunting accident.

Andy Hampsten's 1988 win at the Giro d'Italia? Barely a blip on the national radar, despite Hampsten riding through a blizzard in the mountains to take the lead.

Farrar may hook some casual fans who were already in to cycling because of Armstrong's success, but unfortunately I doubt it will be enough to make a mainstream splash with the general public. That's a shame, because Tyler seems like a really cool guy, and riding the cobblestone stage with a broken wrist shows he's tougher than nails... but it won't be enough for Joe Six Pack.
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There's a silver lining to this. Lightly used Madones to be had for cheap!
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There's a silver lining to this. Lightly used Madones to be had for cheap!
Yeah, but the catch is, it is a Madone.
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Originally Posted by hurley.girl View Post
I wonder if Tyler Farrar can get over his injury and start winning stages like Cavendish. Would that make the general American public continue to take notice of cycling? Or does the average Joe only care about having an American win the grand tours?
The "average Joe" doesn't care about cycling, period.

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Oy...I just don't get all the Lance bashing. Yes he has faults but he brings people to the sport. Same as US Soccer, only when they do well or beat the odds do folks take notice. Watch the evaporation of coverage and news when he stops competing, that is most certainly NOT a good thing. It's too bad the sport is so poorly understood- without him nobody would pay attention. You have to face that fact whether you like him or not. Unless of course you're a selfish person who doesn't want others in "your sport" and you don't care that it grows. I'm pretty sick of overpaid baseball, football, basketball ****heads. I think cycling is a great sport, and kudos to him for popularizing it.
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
:facepalm:

For real? Check out his Facebook posts. Most of his posts are about his team, how well they are doing, how much they've helped him, how he is going to do the best he can and hope for the best, etc.

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Everyone that has been interviewed has said AC is a class act and is as humble and nice as they come. Even some of the RS Riders have said this.
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Yes, he is getting older. Yes, his relfexes have slowed. Yes, he should've stayed 'retired.' Yes, he's making $$$!
Several Frenchmen raced the TdeF into their forties because they needed the francs . . .
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Originally Posted by Laminarman View Post
Oy...I just don't get all the Lance bashing. Yes he has faults but he brings people to the sport. Same as US Soccer, only when they do well or beat the odds do folks take notice. Watch the evaporation of coverage and news when he stops competing, that is most certainly NOT a good thing. It's too bad the sport is so poorly understood- without him nobody would pay attention. You have to face that fact whether you like him or not. Unless of course you're a selfish person who doesn't want others in "your sport" and you don't care that it grows. I'm pretty sick of overpaid baseball, football, basketball ****heads. I think cycling is a great sport, and kudos to him for popularizing it.
Lance has not brought people to the sport, he is nothing more than a personality. Grass roots racing in the US is in big trouble. There is an increase in Masters racers, but Juniors are a disaster in most regions. IMO Lance is in a position to do considerably more with/for Jr cycling. It's amazing how many kids know who he is, and know the whole cancer surviver story. But that doesn't translate into them wanting to race a bike.

Cycling is kind of an upside down pyramid here in the US, Soccer on the other hand is very loaded at the bottom. You would be hard pressed to find a kid in any suburban area who hasn't played Soccer at some point in his young life. Interesting that this happened without a "Major" personality in US Soccer. It has been a lot of people working hard for a lot of years.
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Well, brains will only get you so far and luck always runs out. It will run out for Contador too. Then there will be someone else.

It makes me sad because this is an end to and era in American cycling. Not a big Lance fan, but no one on this forum can truthfully say that they haven't benefitted by his career. Money follows success, so does innovation. It's just being stubborn to deny it.

In 1989 we got an hour of coverage each weekend of the tour...ABC's wide world of sports. And Lemond won. Because of world wide media and the internet, there won't be a coverage void like that again, but 4 hours every day of the tour? If there's no big American star, that's an easy cut for some business like Versus to make if things get tight.
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Originally Posted by Laminarman View Post
Oy...I just don't get all the Lance bashing. Yes he has faults but he brings people to the sport. Same as US Soccer, only when they do well or beat the odds do folks take notice. Watch the evaporation of coverage and news when he stops competing, that is most certainly NOT a good thing. It's too bad the sport is so poorly understood- without him nobody would pay attention. You have to face that fact whether you like him or not. Unless of course you're a selfish person who doesn't want others in "your sport" and you don't care that it grows. I'm pretty sick of overpaid baseball, football, basketball ****heads. I think cycling is a great sport, and kudos to him for popularizing it.

There's no truth to the 'lance makes cycling grow thing.' It might be fun to say, but USAC numbers simply don't support it.
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Not a big Lance fan, but no one on this forum can truthfully say that they haven't benefitted by his career. Money follows success, so does innovation. It's just being stubborn to deny it.
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Originally Posted by hurley.girl View Post
I wonder if Tyler Farrar can get over his injury and start winning stages like Cavendish. Would that make the general American public continue to take notice of cycling? Or does the average Joe only care about having an American win the grand tours?
nope.

he's gotten raped by Cavendish the last 2 years, what's gonna change next year? Garmin is the team that everyone talks about, but never does anything. There are domestic teams that could've got a better result than Garmin this year.
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Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
Horner is saying he bonked after the last crash - I suspect he just packed it in and road a decent tempo to the line. His Tour was done and there was no point killing himself. Better to conserve energy and wait for another day to either help Levi or go for a stage win himself.
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There's no truth to the 'lance makes cycling grow thing.' It might be fun to say, but USAC numbers simply don't support it.
There are other countries than Amerika
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There are other countries than Amerika
True. Lance is probably bringing about cycling growth in Guyana.
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Originally Posted by zonatandem View Post
Yes, he is getting older. Yes, his relfexes have slowed. Yes, he should've stayed 'retired.' Yes, he's making $$$!
Several Frenchmen raced the TdeF into their forties because they needed the francs . . .
The world has changed. This seems to happen less and less.

However an interesting side story from 1986 when this was still a big factor. On one stage Andy Hampsten had blown up and fallen off the back after giving his all to support Greg Lemond. He figured his hopes of a good finish were gone, and then to his surprise he saw 2 of the French riders on hte team dropping back to help him. Afterwards he commented to them that he hoped they were not in any trouble (the team was to a large degree divided between those supporting Hinault and those supporting Lemond). Their reply -- Are yuo crazy you are in 4th place that is 70,000 francs.
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What do you mean no sense? Do you watch the tour on Versus? Enjoy it? I'm in the media business and I can tell you this coverage doesn't happen without a Lance.

Proliferation of Bike shops, cheap(er) carbon fiber, components, easy availability in the states, wind tunnel testing. Yeah, you laugh at some schmuck decked out in Radio Shack kit...but it's highly unlikely that you aren't using some gear that some company/team/ didn't come up with because of innovation designed to help Armstrong win...or beat him. Like cars, bike technology trickles down. Racers follow successful racers like lemmings. You know, like Lemond and aero bars. No, he didn't invent them, but he won with them, then scott made money, then profile, then Giro sold the pointy helmets...d'you see?
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Yes. I see. The use of technology to win races would have surely stopped were it not for Armstrong.
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Originally Posted by Chop61 View Post
What do you mean no sense? Do you watch the tour on Versus? Enjoy it? I'm in the media business and I can tell you this coverage doesn't happen without a Lance.
Watch Versus coverage? Not really. My wife watches it, so I see it in the background. Enjoy it, no not really. There are other sources of coverage and information.

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Proliferation of Bike shops, cheap(er) carbon fiber, components, easy availability in the states, wind tunnel testing. Yeah, you laugh at some schmuck decked out in Radio Shack kit...but it's highly unlikely that you aren't using some gear that some company/team/ didn't come up with because of innovation designed to help Armstrong win...or beat him. Like cars, bike technology trickles down. Racers follow successful racers like lemmings. You know, like Lemond and aero bars. No, he didn't invent them, but he won with them, then scott made money, then profile, then Giro sold the pointy helmets...d'you see?
That's a load of hooey.
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Originally Posted by Chop61 View Post
What do you mean no sense? Do you watch the tour on Versus? Enjoy it? I'm in the media business and I can tell you this coverage doesn't happen without a Lance.

Proliferation of Bike shops, cheap(er) carbon fiber, components, easy availability in the states, wind tunnel testing. Yeah, you laugh at some schmuck decked out in Radio Shack kit...but it's highly unlikely that you aren't using some gear that some company/team/ didn't come up with because of innovation designed to help Armstrong win...or beat him. Like cars, bike technology trickles down. Racers follow successful racers like lemmings. You know, like Lemond and aero bars. No, he didn't invent them, but he won with them, then scott made money, then profile, then Giro sold the pointy helmets...d'you see?
Parts of vrs I enjoy, the Lance is God part I do not. I happen to have ties to people who produce coverage for Rugby and surprise surprise, the amount the people with the rights to games want depends on hte percevied demand in an country. No Lance and we would still have coverage, there are tons of speciality stations these days, and it would be apt to be less biased coverage.

Remember vrs jsut takes the feed and adds on announcers. With vrs it is probably easier to get than it would be otherwise. But not that much easier, the test will come when Lance is gone. If viewers decrease in the US and the European sources want the same dollars we could lose all coverage.
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