Stage 8 Armstrong Crash Conspiracy Theory
07-14-10, 04:26 PM
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Stage 8 Armstrong Crash Conspiracy Theory
A conspiracy to keep the actual cause of the crash quiet, not a conspiracy to cause the crash.
I haven't heard any discussion of a rolled tire, but it's quite obvious from the Versus coversage that Lance's front tire came off the wheel way too completely and easily to be a properly glued tire.
Anyone put forth the question/idea that he simply rolled a tire? That the crash was the result of an error in equipment prep? That it was completely avoidable?
We have no evidence that he clipped a pedal. I mean, he may have, but it may have been the result of a rolled tire. Believe me, if you roll a tire, you're going to clip all sorts of things on the way to the pavement.
I've seen tires skipped sideways at high speed where only a few inches of tire are ripped violently from the rim, but the rest of the tire stays in place. I had a teammate that went into the air in a crit, his bike skewing sideways, at 35 mph. He landed hard, managed not to highside somehow, and then his brake block promptly blew out. He realized his tire wouldn't turn through the frame and noticed his tire kind of "lumped" outwards at one point.
Ends up he "rolled" a short section of tire.
His tire was so firmly in place, so well glued, that it blew out a brake block out of a rear brake by rolling forward through it with the tire. He rolled about 5 inches of tire (about 2 spokes worth of rim) and the tire ended up hanging off the side of the rim, fully inflated. The tire was scuffed but otherwise undamaged.
The officials were about to penalize him for rolling a tire. He challenged them to try and budge the tire. They couldn't. They didn't penalize him.
Even a flat tire wouldn't lose grip from the rim so completely.
If Lance's tire was properly glued, a section may have come off, but not 2/3 or 3/4 of it.
Heck, I'd challenge anyone to try and dismount my tubular tire in a second by clipping a pedal on my bike, landing sideways at 40 mph. It won't happen. If it did I'd roll a tire every time I dug a pedal, skipped a tire, or chattered across rough pavement flying through a turn.
When a tubular tire dismounts itself around most/all of the perimeter of the rim, it's usually/always a rider/mechanic's gluing/mounting error.
This is what happened to Lance's front tire.
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(Secondary question - what kind of glue or tape does Radioshack use on their tubulars?)
I haven't heard any discussion of a rolled tire, but it's quite obvious from the Versus coversage that Lance's front tire came off the wheel way too completely and easily to be a properly glued tire.
Anyone put forth the question/idea that he simply rolled a tire? That the crash was the result of an error in equipment prep? That it was completely avoidable?
We have no evidence that he clipped a pedal. I mean, he may have, but it may have been the result of a rolled tire. Believe me, if you roll a tire, you're going to clip all sorts of things on the way to the pavement.
I've seen tires skipped sideways at high speed where only a few inches of tire are ripped violently from the rim, but the rest of the tire stays in place. I had a teammate that went into the air in a crit, his bike skewing sideways, at 35 mph. He landed hard, managed not to highside somehow, and then his brake block promptly blew out. He realized his tire wouldn't turn through the frame and noticed his tire kind of "lumped" outwards at one point.
Ends up he "rolled" a short section of tire.
His tire was so firmly in place, so well glued, that it blew out a brake block out of a rear brake by rolling forward through it with the tire. He rolled about 5 inches of tire (about 2 spokes worth of rim) and the tire ended up hanging off the side of the rim, fully inflated. The tire was scuffed but otherwise undamaged.
The officials were about to penalize him for rolling a tire. He challenged them to try and budge the tire. They couldn't. They didn't penalize him.
Even a flat tire wouldn't lose grip from the rim so completely.
If Lance's tire was properly glued, a section may have come off, but not 2/3 or 3/4 of it.
Heck, I'd challenge anyone to try and dismount my tubular tire in a second by clipping a pedal on my bike, landing sideways at 40 mph. It won't happen. If it did I'd roll a tire every time I dug a pedal, skipped a tire, or chattered across rough pavement flying through a turn.
When a tubular tire dismounts itself around most/all of the perimeter of the rim, it's usually/always a rider/mechanic's gluing/mounting error.
This is what happened to Lance's front tire.
cdr
(Secondary question - what kind of glue or tape does Radioshack use on their tubulars?)
07-14-10, 05:27 PM
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A conspiracy to keep the actual cause of the crash quiet, not a conspiracy to cause the crash.
I haven't heard any discussion of a rolled tire, but it's quite obvious from the Versus coversage that Lance's front tire came off the wheel way too completely and easily to be a properly glued tire.
Anyone put forth the question/idea that he simply rolled a tire? That the crash was the result of an error in equipment prep? That it was completely avoidable?
We have no evidence that he clipped a pedal. I mean, he may have, but it may have been the result of a rolled tire. Believe me, if you roll a tire, you're going to clip all sorts of things on the way to the pavement.
I've seen tires skipped sideways at high speed where only a few inches of tire are ripped violently from the rim, but the rest of the tire stays in place. I had a teammate that went into the air in a crit, his bike skewing sideways, at 35 mph. He landed hard, managed not to highside somehow, and then his brake block promptly blew out. He realized his tire wouldn't turn through the frame and noticed his tire kind of "lumped" outwards at one point.
Ends up he "rolled" a short section of tire.
His tire was so firmly in place, so well glued, that it blew out a brake block out of a rear brake by rolling forward through it with the tire. He rolled about 5 inches of tire (about 2 spokes worth of rim) and the tire ended up hanging off the side of the rim, fully inflated. The tire was scuffed but otherwise undamaged.
The officials were about to penalize him for rolling a tire. He challenged them to try and budge the tire. They couldn't. They didn't penalize him.
Even a flat tire wouldn't lose grip from the rim so completely.
If Lance's tire was properly glued, a section may have come off, but not 2/3 or 3/4 of it.
Heck, I'd challenge anyone to try and dismount my tubular tire in a second by clipping a pedal on my bike, landing sideways at 40 mph. It won't happen. If it did I'd roll a tire every time I dug a pedal, skipped a tire, or chattered across rough pavement flying through a turn.
When a tubular tire dismounts itself around most/all of the perimeter of the rim, it's usually/always a rider/mechanic's gluing/mounting error.
This is what happened to Lance's front tire.
cdr
(Secondary question - what kind of glue or tape does Radioshack use on their tubulars?)
I haven't heard any discussion of a rolled tire, but it's quite obvious from the Versus coversage that Lance's front tire came off the wheel way too completely and easily to be a properly glued tire.
Anyone put forth the question/idea that he simply rolled a tire? That the crash was the result of an error in equipment prep? That it was completely avoidable?
We have no evidence that he clipped a pedal. I mean, he may have, but it may have been the result of a rolled tire. Believe me, if you roll a tire, you're going to clip all sorts of things on the way to the pavement.
I've seen tires skipped sideways at high speed where only a few inches of tire are ripped violently from the rim, but the rest of the tire stays in place. I had a teammate that went into the air in a crit, his bike skewing sideways, at 35 mph. He landed hard, managed not to highside somehow, and then his brake block promptly blew out. He realized his tire wouldn't turn through the frame and noticed his tire kind of "lumped" outwards at one point.
Ends up he "rolled" a short section of tire.
His tire was so firmly in place, so well glued, that it blew out a brake block out of a rear brake by rolling forward through it with the tire. He rolled about 5 inches of tire (about 2 spokes worth of rim) and the tire ended up hanging off the side of the rim, fully inflated. The tire was scuffed but otherwise undamaged.
The officials were about to penalize him for rolling a tire. He challenged them to try and budge the tire. They couldn't. They didn't penalize him.
Even a flat tire wouldn't lose grip from the rim so completely.
If Lance's tire was properly glued, a section may have come off, but not 2/3 or 3/4 of it.
Heck, I'd challenge anyone to try and dismount my tubular tire in a second by clipping a pedal on my bike, landing sideways at 40 mph. It won't happen. If it did I'd roll a tire every time I dug a pedal, skipped a tire, or chattered across rough pavement flying through a turn.
When a tubular tire dismounts itself around most/all of the perimeter of the rim, it's usually/always a rider/mechanic's gluing/mounting error.
This is what happened to Lance's front tire.
cdr
(Secondary question - what kind of glue or tape does Radioshack use on their tubulars?)
07-14-10, 06:32 PM
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So the conspiracy part of the theory is that Lance didn't want to lay blame on the team mechanic(s) for improperly gluing his tire and so he just said he clipped a pedal and that caused the crash?
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Or is the conspiracy part that someone intentionally didn't glue the tire properly? If he's just trying to deflect heat from the mechanics, that's not a conspiracy. That's actually being a pretty nice guy.
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To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end".
Nobody loves a conspiracy more than myself.
So, when did Lance and his co-conspirator meet and reach this agreement? How many do you suppose are involved in this conspiracy, how deep does it go? Do you suppose hush money involved? And what is keeping all the conspirators from talking, death threats, dope, wall sized painting of Pamela Anderson in the nude?
Do you think this Stage 8 conspiracy might be related to com-trails in the French sky that day? And how do we know you're not a part of a conspiracy, and you're simply misleading us so we don't find out the real reason? How do we know you're not one of them?
Nobody loves a conspiracy more than myself.
So, when did Lance and his co-conspirator meet and reach this agreement? How many do you suppose are involved in this conspiracy, how deep does it go? Do you suppose hush money involved? And what is keeping all the conspirators from talking, death threats, dope, wall sized painting of Pamela Anderson in the nude?
Do you think this Stage 8 conspiracy might be related to com-trails in the French sky that day? And how do we know you're not a part of a conspiracy, and you're simply misleading us so we don't find out the real reason? How do we know you're not one of them?
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Well, if the mechanic is at fault and Lance came out and bashed him, could you imagine how much crap Lance would take for that? I could see the motive behind not blaming the mechanic.
It's an interesting theory. I'm a clincher guy, so I'd be interested to see if more tubular guys agree with you.
It's an interesting theory. I'm a clincher guy, so I'd be interested to see if more tubular guys agree with you.
07-15-10, 10:29 AM
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For some reason all of the slow motion videos of Lance's stage 8 crash have been pulled off Youtube. The reason given is copyright by ASO.
07-15-10, 10:39 AM
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I posted a quote of my original post in the racing subforum, since that's where I wanted to post it to begin with. Someone with a DVR verified the whole tire came off, which indicates the tire wasn't glued on properly (if at all). Flat tires, high-siding (after clipping a pedal), all that won't remove the whole tire. Not gluing the tire right will remove the whole tire from the rim.
The crash seems pretty normal for a rolled tire, which is why rolling a tubular in a race is a suspendible offense.
I'm still puzzled why no one has come out and said "Lance lost that 11 minutes due to a rolled tire", not a clipped pedal etc. He was unscathed at the first crash, was in good position when he went down, and fell the third time because he was with two blown Euskatel riders who couldn't pass a musette from one to another. If his tire hadn't rolled, he probably wouldn't have crashed, he definitely would have been ahead of the Euskatel guys, and it'd have been an interesting battle.
The crash seems pretty normal for a rolled tire, which is why rolling a tubular in a race is a suspendible offense.
I'm still puzzled why no one has come out and said "Lance lost that 11 minutes due to a rolled tire", not a clipped pedal etc. He was unscathed at the first crash, was in good position when he went down, and fell the third time because he was with two blown Euskatel riders who couldn't pass a musette from one to another. If his tire hadn't rolled, he probably wouldn't have crashed, he definitely would have been ahead of the Euskatel guys, and it'd have been an interesting battle.
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This whole thread is stupid and should be closed.
The government was behind 9/11, the mafia killed Kennedy and Elvis is still alive and living in Topeka.
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That means they are also protecting Bruneel. The question is who are they trying to protect him from?
Or it could be more simple and in a way innocent. How about this:
Lance did in fact clip a pedal, that is the immediate cause to the rolled tire. The pedal clip is what he was aware of and what he said. Later the team at least should have been aware of any technical issues, they have no reason to bring it up in public. Look at the controversy here! Radio Shack hardly needs more distractions.
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Looked to me like he ran over a chupacabras.
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Geez you guys know nothing. Elvis was turned into a Vampire and is being secreted by the New Orleans Nest (coven?).
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I thought Elvis was killed by Bubba Ho-tep? Or was that JFK?
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And to think I gave up reading a useful thread for this. I never understood people saying that nobody is talking about something when they're the ones talking about it. It's a pretty classic way to introduce a conspiracy theory though. Well done.
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