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Old 07-23-10, 11:38 AM
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If Schleck can keep it close in the TT

Will Saxo Bank attack into Paris? With Cancellera, Voigt et al, surely they could put a minute into Contador.
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Ullrich talked about doing it once... or rather he said it wouldn't be unsportsmanlike to try... but he didn't do it.
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I don't think they could shake off Contador. Ok, Saxo Bank has a lot of firepower in the flat, but in the end it's Schleck who has to get away and not Cancellara.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Will Saxo Bank attack into Paris? With Cancellera, Voigt et al, surely they could put a minute into Contador.
An interesting concept. If say AS is no more than 10-20 seconds down on AC after the ITT. Will there be a show down on the last flat stage. The only problem is that Andy and Alberto only have to follow. And if they set a pace so high that AC couldn't follow. Chances are that Andy wouldn't be able to follow either. AC needs to stay at the front close to Saxo Bank and hope that their is not any wind.
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Originally Posted by rogwilco View Post
I don't think they could shake off Contador. Ok, Saxo Bank has a lot of firepower in the flat, but in the end it's Schleck who has to get away and not Cancellara.
Methinks AC would rather die than let Schleck out of his sight. At least that is the way AC has ridden so far.
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1. Schleck and the team aren't going to break the Champs tradition, especially after all the controversy around "gentlemanly/champion-worthy" tactics.

2. It wouldn't be Saxo vs. Astana. It would be Saxo vs. Astana, HTC-Columbia, Lampre, Cervelo, Garmin-Transitions, Milram, and Sky. At least. Not a prayer of that kind of move working.
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Originally Posted by LUCAS View Post
Methinks AC would rather die than let Schleck out of his sight. At least that is the way AC has ridden so far.
Maybe they could just create a lot of changes in pace, requiring Andy to shift gears frequently.

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It was trying to poke fun at the annual "why don't they attack on the final stage" thread. I think its about as likely that hell wil freeze over as the jersey will change hands sunday.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Maybe they could just create a lot of changes in pace, requiring Andy to shift gears frequently.

That's demented dude.
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Maybe they could just create a lot of changes in pace, requiring Andy to shift gears frequently.

Saxo Bank's mechanics are on to that. I here they're setting him up with a fixie
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
1. Schleck and the team aren't going to break the Champs tradition, especially after all the controversy around "gentlemanly/champion-worthy" tactics.

2. It wouldn't be Saxo vs. Astana. It would be Saxo vs. Astana, HTC-Columbia, Lampre, Cervelo, Garmin-Transitions, Milram, and Sky. At least. Not a prayer of that kind of move working.
1. There is no such tradition.

2. This one covers why attacks involving contenders is a thing of the past.

BTW both Merckx and Hinault have been involved in attacks on run into paris.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
It was trying to poke fun at the annual "why don't they attack on the final stage" thread. I think its about as likely that hell wil freeze over as the jersey will change hands sunday.
I think both Michigan and Alaska have towns named Hell.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
It was trying to poke fun at the annual "why don't they attack on the final stage" thread. I think its about as likely that hell wil freeze over as the jersey will change hands sunday.
Since the Peloton has existed has the Yellow Jersey every changed hands the final day except on a TT? I don't know of such and can only think of 2 serious attacks involving contenders.
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
1. There is no such tradition.
Oh, okay, well, since you say so...

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Since the Peloton has existed has the Yellow Jersey every changed hands the final day except on a TT? I don't know of such and can only think of 2 serious attacks involving contenders.
It certainly has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Robic

Thanks for your incisive commentary, though.
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Wow... fascinating
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
I took "Since the peloton has existed" to mean the era of the peloton actually existing.

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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
I took "Since the peloton has existed" to mean the era of the peloton actually existing.
That was how it was meant. Judgement call if this qualifies. It clearly is not the Peloton as we know it today. It also is clearly not like the very early days of few groups.

BTW this was a tainted Tour. Anyone know why?
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
That was how it was meant. Judgement call if this qualifies. It clearly is not the Peloton as we know it today. It also is clearly not like the very early days of few groups.

BTW this was a tainted Tour. Anyone know why?
By "this", do you mean Robic's 1947 Tour or this current year?
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
By "this", do you mean Robic's 1947 Tour or this current year?
1947. I see no taint this year (I'm not an announcer, I can not trigger the curse of the announcer. If they say it expect several DQs on doping controls).
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
It certainly has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Robic

Thanks for your incisive commentary, though.
Thanks for the find! Pass or fail on the Peloton existing I find it close enough on that point to show a lead change can happen on the final stage when pack riding comes into play. It is one more piece of history I intend to remember.
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
1. Schleck and the team aren't going to break the Champs tradition, especially after all the controversy around "gentlemanly/champion-worthy" tactics.

2. It wouldn't be Saxo vs. Astana. It would be Saxo vs. Astana, HTC-Columbia, Lampre, Cervelo, Garmin-Transitions, Milram, and Sky. At least. Not a prayer of that kind of move working.
Exactly why it won't happen. No way do the sprinter teams allow Saxo off the front. And secondly if Cancellara could break away, he most likely would leak Andy in his wake. That wouldn't do any good. It would be cool to see Fabian and Vino off the front, though. Then let the sprinter teams try and run them down.
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Exactly why it won't happen. No way do the sprinter teams allow Saxo off the front.
Unless HTC collaborates with Saxo. Cav gets the guaranteed win and Schleck gets the yellow.

Cancellara + Martin together can haul serious ass.
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Unless HTC collaborates with Saxo. Cav gets the guaranteed win and Schleck gets the yellow.

Cancellara + Martin together can haul serious ass.
Collaborate in what way? You make no sense. Cav doesn't need to collaborate with Saxo to get the win. Cancellara and Martin can move. But so can Vino and Contador. Unless Frank Schleck gets back in the race and crashes to block the whole peloton so Andy can take advantage again, no way will the Saxo boys break away.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Will Saxo Bank attack into Paris? With Cancellera, Voigt et al, surely they could put a minute into Contador.
it won't be close. my guess is schleck will never win the tour.

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