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Old 07-24-10, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Exit3 View Post
Landis has now been all three. At least he saved the best (worst?) for last.

No one likes a rat

I'm so glad I met him at D&Q and bought his book as a way to help him defend his "honor" against all those meanies at the Tour. At least I can now use the pages of his book and save money on toilet paper!

Thanks Floyd!
At least Landis has some guts. Something Armstrong has never had. It's funny how the idol destroyer becomes that rat, yet the false idol is still adored.

And there is something even worse than a cheat, a liar and a rat. It is a rabid and deluded idol worshiper.

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Old 07-24-10, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ciocc_cat View Post
Landis has changed his story a few too-many times for me to believe he's very credible.
Unfortunately, his story is supported by the testimony of several others who are credible.
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Originally Posted by Hezz View Post
At least Landis has some guts. Something Armstrong has never had. It's funny how the idol destroyer becomes that rat, yet the false idol is still adored.

And there is something even worse than a cheat, a liar and a rat. It is a rabid and deluded idol worshiper.
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Old 07-25-10, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rogwilco View Post
Honestly, I think it's ****ing hilarious that anybody believed in Landis' innocence back then. I didn't even know such people existed before coming to bikeforums.net, it's that absurd to me.

But he is doing the right thing at last.
Honestly, I think it's ****ing hilarious that anybody would now believe a proven cheat and liar. I didn't even know such people existed before coming to bikeforums.net, it's THAT absurd to me.

But he's doing the RIGHT thing at last.....unless of course...he's still lying

THAT's ****hilarious!
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Old 07-25-10, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Hezz View Post
At least Landis has some guts.
Its not guts after you get caught.
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Old 07-25-10, 03:47 PM
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Yeah what the hell is with people thinking Landis is doing this for the good of cycling.

Are you all insane?

Landis is doing this for himself and himself alone. He has no other choice, he got caught and figured he might as well squeeze as much money out of this as he can. A book is forthcoming I am sure.

Secondly, why all the intense LA hate?

He raised cycling interest in America to an all time high. Not to mention his cancer fundraising and the fact that HE HAS NEVER FAILED A DRUG TEST.

The fed investigation into cycling has to be one of the greatest wastes of tax payer dollars in the history of the world. How can they prove LA cheated if he never failed a drug test, its going to be 5 or so people out of the thousands that worked for him giving some vague circumstantial evidence.

If he is found guilty, LA lovers will continue to point to errors in the methods, if he is innocent all of europe and most of BF.net will continue to believe otherwise.

Anyways, rant off.
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Old 07-25-10, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hezz View Post
At least Landis has some guts. Something Armstrong has never had. It's funny how the idol destroyer becomes that rat, yet the false idol is still adored.

And there is something even worse than a cheat, a liar and a rat. It is a rabid and deluded idol worshiper.
How delusional are you? Armstrong doesn't have guts? Ummm, excuse me....how many tours has he won?? Was it 3? oh no....I think a few more than that. Doesn't that take guts? Even after all these years of everyone out to prove him a cheat.....there's still no proof to say he cheated. False idol???? So all these professional judges and referees and reporters and etc. etc. etc. and they still can't pin the cheat label on him....you have decided that your word is the final verdict. OK, good luck with that.

Me? I will stick with true facts that state that Lance is the best rider EVER in the Tour. I have the facts on my side so I win...just like Lance.

I love it when I have the truth on my side and can look past all the delusions of the jealous masses!!!
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Old 07-26-10, 06:59 AM
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Cheater, liar, rat. You forgot one: Thief.

A lot of folks donated to his defense fund. He screwed them too. If anyone thinks Landis's motives are altruistic—they need their heads examined.
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Old 07-26-10, 07:10 AM
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^^
If anything he's a fraud for that, not a thief.

And I couldn't care less about Landis' motives, what matters is the result.
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Old 07-26-10, 07:22 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what result would you like to see?
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Old 07-26-10, 07:25 AM
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Armstrong exposed and punished in court and humiliated in public for his many years of hypocrisy.
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Old 07-26-10, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rogwilco View Post
But he is doing the right thing at last.
Whats that saying that he doped in the past but not when he won the TdF in 2006? He is still stateing that he was clean that year so how is that doing the right thing. Landis is full of S*** and so is his partner in whining LeMond.
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Old 07-26-10, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rogwilco View Post
Armstrong exposed and punished in court and humiliated in public for his many years of hypocrisy.
Prove it.
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Old 07-26-10, 08:13 AM
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Ah, a Lance hater. You're entitled, I guess.

Now, do you think that any of these allegations would have come out had Floyd been offered a spot on the RS squad for the ToC? Or, had his Bahati (sp?) Foundation team been invited to the ToC? That answer is no. Floyd is a very bitter, very disappointed man, lashing out at Armstrong—who he thinks should have saved him. Why hasn't he implicated his Phonak Team? Surely, they had a program as well, or was Floyd doing that all by himself? Floyd got hung out to dry when he got caught. I suspect because he made such a big show of his "innocence." Notice Vino served his suspension quietly and was racing in the TDF. Floyd is a man looking for revenge. Revenge for what? That's my question. Bitterness, disappointment and not getting your way don't count in my book. Nobody screwed him—he screwed himself.

Cheater, liar, rat, fraud/thief (take your pick) and extortionist. Remember, he threatened an exposé if he didn't get his way.

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Old 07-26-10, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Cateye View Post
Prove it.
Prove what? I was asked what result I'd like to see, and I gave an answer.
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Old 07-26-10, 08:22 AM
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Again......how are you going to prove it? It was a question..........you must think LA did something wrong and if that is the case I am assuming you have some proof to base your “wants” or argument on. Or is this just some personal intestinal response to LA?
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I'm just a common cycling fan and not a ****ing DA so if you're expecting me to post a photo of Armstrong injecting EPO, sadly I have to pass.
But anybody who followed pro cycling even superficially in the last 20 years and thinks there's any chance Armstrong won without dope is a fool. The proof for me is in the legions of cyclists who were "convicted" of doping who Armstrong beat and in Armstrong's own positive doping tests which are conveniently forgotten by his fans and in his behavior towards cyclists who dared break the doping omerta. And I hope proof sufficient for the US courts' standards will be in the witness testimonies of his former colleagues, friends and confidants and possibly in his tax records, bank statements, etc.
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Old 07-26-10, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by foamy View Post
Just out of curiosity, what result would you like to see?
Just the truth.
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Old 07-26-10, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rogwilco View Post
I'm just a common cycling fan and not a ****ing DA so if you're expecting me to post a photo of Armstrong injecting EPO, sadly I have to pass.
But anybody who followed pro cycling even superficially in the last 20 years and thinks there's any chance Armstrong won without dope is a fool. The proof for me is in the legions of cyclists who were "convicted" of doping who Armstrong beat and in Armstrong's own positive doping tests which are conveniently forgotten by his fans and in his behavior towards cyclists who dared break the doping omerta. And I hope proof sufficient for the US courts' standards will be in the witness testimonies of his former colleagues, friends and confidants and possibly in his tax records, bank statements, etc.
Now that is funny. No real proof yet you think LA did it. Now who is being foolish?

Contador was pushing 7.1 watts/kg in his training according to published reports. In Lance's heyday he was 6.7watts/kg. So based on that......of course one has to agree with you that performance is a sign of doping.......Contador had to dope to win the yellow jersey this year.

You're argument is weak.
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Old 07-26-10, 01:45 PM
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^^ That is an asinine argument. You really think a doper will publish his real W/kg number? And remember - a lot of the doping is for recovery/endurance, not necessarily greater power.
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Originally Posted by Cateye View Post
Now that is funny. No real proof yet you think LA did it. Now who is being foolish?

Contador was pushing 7.1 watts/kg in his training according to published reports. In Lance's heyday he was 6.7watts/kg. So based on that......of course one has to agree with you that performance is a sign of doping.......Contador had to dope to win the yellow jersey this year.

You're argument is weak.
Again you're ignoring that Lance Armstrong has tested positive multiple times. But sure, that's just those lying french bastards who hate Americans, eh?

Anyway, like I said, I don't need any proof to form my opinion, I'm just some guy and not judge or jury. Imo it's downright absurd to think that any Tour de France podium finisher, let alone winner, let alone 7x winner from the EPO/transfusion era of cycling was clean. [and btw. yes, Contador more than likely is doped also]

But whatever, we'll see where this investigation goes. I don't care if you're convinced by anything I say, take it or leave it, think about it or don't, it's up to you.

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Old 07-26-10, 04:30 PM
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In my head I figure Lance doped, because everyone was. It is hard to believe he was just that much better then people even though they were doping. Although Ulrich claims he never doped and was just considering it when he got caught up in operation puerto.

As far as multiple positive test for Lance, I believe he has one positive test that he produced a doctors note for. Is that iffy, yes.

At the end of the day, I don't want Lance to be proven to have doped. I like the plausible deniability, and I know is because at the end of the day I like Lance. I like the idea of looking forward for cycling. They have made improvements but they still need to do more.
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Let's also take a moment to recognize Lance AKA the "false idol" also established a charity that has brought in MILLIONS of dollars for one of the worst diseases on the planet. Has your beloved AC done anything for anyone but himself?

False Idol**********? 7 Tour wins and a established leader of a charity UNMATCHED by any other celebrity


You need to rethink your classifications for false idol...or just up your meds.
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Drugs are illegal.
Get caught, get punished.
Dont get caught, dont get punished.

pretty simple really.
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... Has your beloved AC done anything for anyone but himself? ...
Yes. Not as prominent, or visible here as the Livestrong Foundation, but absolutely.

http://www.fundacioncontador.com/
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