Allez3

Still government money. Not unlike Airports or other special districts like redevelopment agencies.

bellweatherman

Armstrong is in deep ----. Up the proverbial creek with no paddle. This goes way beyond doping, and this case is way, way, way worse than just a investigation into illegal drug use. Balco was nothing compared to this. International fraud, millions in governmental funds used for doping, and dope doctors. The hammer is coming down.

PS - You're deluding yourself if you think all EPO programs are the same.

Keith99

You don't get it. when you are still riding to do that you have to take down yourself. And the one it is sure is going down is you, you have to in effect confess.

Allez3

Goes to the persons credibility then doesn't it?

That argument is flawed anyway. You get caught later you have more to lose, especially if you win along the way.

Keith99

Yea right. You are already retired. The wins are in the books and you have any pay and prize money. But you think someone who would have 2 years cut out of his racing career has less to lose.

Dubbayoo

If you own a farm that get subsidies to grow corn that doesn't make your farm a government agency.

Shimagnolo

"Since its reorganization into an independent organization, the USPS has become self-sufficient and has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters. However, it is currently borrowing money from the U.S. Treasury to pay its deficits."

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Postal_Service

BummBull

Report: Hincapie tells feds he saw Armstrong use banned substances.

https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...l?sct=hp_t2_a3

Second Mouse

I just heard that on the CBS news, too. This'll be interesting.

BummBull

It'll be interesting for Armstrong's legal team to discredit Hincapie. What excuse can he use against Hincapie?

OrionKhan

Yep. This may be the coup de grace. Attacking the character of Hamilton is one thing. But Big George is another story. What does he have to gain from laying out Lance? Especially if it was before a grand jury.

BummBull

Now Lance fans are going to be saying, "So what he doped. Everyone else was doping and he still beat them!"

Give me a break. That's not the point. He was lying and he's going to get nailed.

therhodeo

How many hours ago was it that Allez told me I was wrong about Hincapie? I knew I was right but I didn't think confirmation would come this quickly.

Shimagnolo

Sorry, but I can't buy this until Allez confirms it.

bellweatherman

Stephanie McIlvain is in deep doo doo as well. Goodbye quiet suburbia. Hello prison cell.

Dubbayoo

I'm not buying until Bruyneel confirms it.

Cat4Lifer

Nah, you're specutaliting:

What you're saying--at least what I'm taking from your posts is:

As long as it works to taint Tyler motives for testifying under penalty of perjury that he witnessed Armstrong injecting EPO, it's ok speculate on Tyler's motives (i.e. he might have been offered a deal). But when speculating on how incredibly foolish and naive it would be for Tyler to lie under threat of perjury to the grand jury, then you say "lets stick to the facts." I understood your posts perfectly; it is you who should re-read what you wrote.

Now I wonder, if those who hold Hincapie's words so sacred are all of a sudden going to say, if it turns out that he admitted to using PEDs, "Oh, now he cant be trusted, as he lied for years about his doping." I hate to say it, but there are indeed Armstrong fan boys, and their fanaticism seems to blind them to their inconsistent reasoning.

Cat4Lifer

I'm not a Lance fan, and that's exactly how I feel about it.
And I doubt he'll be charged with any crime, much less convicted of any criminal offence.
But hey, at least the Lance stalkers will be happy.

DXchulo

That should be the nail in the coffin for anyone who still thinks Lance didn't dope. I look forward to seeing how they're going to spin this one. His career is almost over and he's just bitter? Or the one we've been hearing for a while- why are we wasting government money on this old news? Let's move on.

Like I said earlier, it's pretty simple what we're seeing. These guys were perfectly happy to lie to the media, but once the feds come threatening jail time it makes a lot more sense to tell the truth.

Dubbayoo

I just hope he doesn't do a Roger Clemons and get charged with lying to a grand jury.

Cat4Lifer

He's just bitter because Postal never supported him enough in Paris-Roubaix?

bellweatherman

Clemons faced perjury charges. Albeit serious, this is the least of the worries of these dopers under investigation right now. Money laundering, governmental funds illegally used, international laws broken. Holy Crap!

himespau 

apparently it's been "borrowing" money from Congress for the last 10 or so years to pay for dwindling income due to more electronic communications. Since I don't see those loans getting paid back, it seems like a subsidy to me.

TechKnowGN

Honestly, most of that stuff is going to be damn near impossible to prove even with testimony, and honestly my guess is they found ways not to directly use sponsor money to buy drugs because thats the quick road to the slammer. If he was smart enough to avoid all those test he was smart enough to use clean money to buy his drugs

Cat4Lifer

Has anyone testified as to having any knowledge of any possible criminal fraudulent activates on the part of Armstrong?