Who was the last TDF winner who was not doping?
05-22-11, 06:22 PM
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Who was the last TDF winner who was not doping?
How far back do you have to go to say with near certainty that a winner was not doping?
05-22-11, 06:27 PM
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trick question. Maurice Gaurin was got for cheating. So the answer is infinity.
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Do you think we ride this on mineral water?
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I would need drugs to get through a flat stage
. I do not believe it is even possible to ride that race at the pace those guys do without "help." Three weeks of 24+ MPH racing, including 8 or 9 mountain passes.....I am no doctor or trainer but can the body even recover enough to do that at a slow pace?
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. I do not believe it is even possible to ride that race at the pace those guys do without "help." Three weeks of 24+ MPH racing, including 8 or 9 mountain passes.....I am no doctor or trainer but can the body even recover enough to do that at a slow pace?Cheers,
Brian J
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05-22-11, 06:49 PM
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I would need drugs to get through a flat stage. I do not believe it is even possible to ride that race at the pace those guys do without "help." Three weeks of 24+ MPH racing, including 8 or 9 mountain passes.....I am no doctor or trainer but can the body even recover enough to do that at a slow pace?
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. I do not believe it is even possible to ride that race at the pace those guys do without "help." Three weeks of 24+ MPH racing, including 8 or 9 mountain passes.....I am no doctor or trainer but can the body even recover enough to do that at a slow pace?Cheers,
Brian J
I've ridden a stage of the TDF ( Le Etape 2005) It took me 2 hours longer than it did Richaard Virenque, the stage winner.
I'm certain with a little training, I could finish all 21 stages of the TDF. Now, I would certainly be out of the time limit and removed from the race, but I could do the distance in the muber of days alloted.
But the point is, it's not a super human task to ride the course in 21 stages with 2 rest days. The issue is wether anyone cna do it at the pace the winners do without PEDS.
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LeMond got blown away by the EPO dopers, and he seems bitter about losing to dopers. I wonder if he was clean, or did he just take the weak stuff available at the time.
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I think I have gotten to this point on the subject: as long as it is a level playing field then I don't care. They have limits which are set for blood levels and whatnot. You can dope and be just under those...go for it, it's your body/health and honestly it is a better watch than if they crawled along.
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I got EPO while I was getting chemo in 2006. The stuff is absolute magic juice. I have no doubt that a few hematocrit points makes a signficant difference to riders in a long race.
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It's a matter of pace. In Lemond's words, it never gets easier, you just get faster.
I've ridden a stage of the TDF ( Le Etape 2005) It took me 2 hours longer than it did Richaard Virenque, the stage winner.
I'm certain with a little training, I could finish all 21 stages of the TDF. Now, I would certainly be out of the time limit and removed from the race, but I could do the distance in the muber of days alloted.
But the point is, it's not a super human task to ride the course in 21 stages with 2 rest days. The issue is wether anyone cna do it at the pace the winners do without PEDS.
I've ridden a stage of the TDF ( Le Etape 2005) It took me 2 hours longer than it did Richaard Virenque, the stage winner.
I'm certain with a little training, I could finish all 21 stages of the TDF. Now, I would certainly be out of the time limit and removed from the race, but I could do the distance in the muber of days alloted.
But the point is, it's not a super human task to ride the course in 21 stages with 2 rest days. The issue is wether anyone cna do it at the pace the winners do without PEDS.
Cheers,
Brian J
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05-22-11, 07:35 PM
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The answer is easy: Alberto Contador.
It wasn't EPO/ dope, it was "tainted beef". Just go ahead and ask him (or his lawyers) if you want the truth.
It wasn't EPO/ dope, it was "tainted beef". Just go ahead and ask him (or his lawyers) if you want the truth.
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Fausto Coppi freely admitted to doping in NINETEEN FORTY-NINE.
So at what point since then did pro cycling suddenly decide to give it up?
So at what point since then did pro cycling suddenly decide to give it up?
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I don't think so. I doubt there's more than a couple people around these forums, the 33 included, that could do 21 consecutive 100+ mile days with just 2 rest days. In their dreams maybe, yes, but otherwise no.
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05-22-11, 11:04 PM
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Actually probably quite a few, if you back the pace off. Get me 3 consecutive weeks vacation and I'll let you know.
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