Lance come clean yet?
05-26-11, 10:59 AM
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As long as he sticks to the "I passed all the tests" mantra, he should be good, right?!?! Ahh, we'll see what happens next...
05-26-11, 11:23 AM
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If he is the midst of being tried, the case presented is compelling, and it appears the jury is accepting the testimony against him, he might reach a point where he would be best served by a plea bargain.
05-26-11, 12:40 PM
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Mother of all facepalms...
String the Sociopath up.
Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.
If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.
I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
String the Sociopath up.
Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.
If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.
I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
Have you tried anger management? Maybe you need some meds? Call Lance he might be able to get you some.
05-26-11, 12:42 PM
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No way. If you didn't care, then you would't bother taking the time to post here. Your "I don't care if he doped" indicates that you still respect the lies, fraud, and hollow wins that he has. No real man respects those traits of a characterless, classless, paper champ like Lance Armstrong.
05-30-11, 01:04 PM
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I personally don't care but I acknowledge that some people do.
The whole "taxpayer $" argument is weak to me though. The amount they'll spent on this investigation (while certainly significant to normal people) is probably immaterial to the budget as a whole. They likely figure that making an example of public figures is a good return on the investment in terms of a deterrent. Obviously that is debatable. Don't necessarily agree or disagree but I understand the idea.
The whole "taxpayer $" argument is weak to me though. The amount they'll spent on this investigation (while certainly significant to normal people) is probably immaterial to the budget as a whole. They likely figure that making an example of public figures is a good return on the investment in terms of a deterrent. Obviously that is debatable. Don't necessarily agree or disagree but I understand the idea.
Mother of all facepalms...
String the Sociopath up.
Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.
If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.
I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
String the Sociopath up.
Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.
If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.
I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
I've forgotten more than you know about this sport by a considerable margin. Those I've coached, trained with and raced with in 25+ years could say the same.
Skip the personal crap and point to anything I said that isn't supported by fact or first hand testimony.
Roll eyes, facepalm or whatever other cutsie internet crap is appropriate here.
Skip the personal crap and point to anything I said that isn't supported by fact or first hand testimony.
Roll eyes, facepalm or whatever other cutsie internet crap is appropriate here.
Now what about that rubbish about first hand testimony. I'm sure you are probably referring to Frankie, Floyd and Tyler. How would anyone claiming to have a bit of common sense put so much faith in to testimony given by three guys that had previously given sworn testimony contradicting what they are saying now. Once liar always a liar and any half ass defense attorney will rip credibility to **** all day.
Damn that pesky little legal system that requires more than just an educated hunch to prove. I don't doubt he or any of the others doped but gut instinct and some common sense isn't enough.
Yes. This has always been the way.
When I was in University (in the 80's as an old man) I presented a research paper to one of the people involved in coming up with the first test for blood doping. In this paper I illustrated the cat and mouse game that dopers and tester have been playing since the 1950's. Prior to that it was openly talked about and not considered such and issue.
Do some googling on cycling and doping. Here. IIRC the Pelltier brothers are the source of the strycnine quote. Look at the six day races and amphetimes - there is a system of doping in cycling stretching back generations.
My point is that any LA fanboys who still believe this guy is innocent when every other rider, save one, who ever finished on a podium with him at the tour has since been caught for doping are either ignorant or regular viewers of FOX.
When I was in University (in the 80's as an old man) I presented a research paper to one of the people involved in coming up with the first test for blood doping. In this paper I illustrated the cat and mouse game that dopers and tester have been playing since the 1950's. Prior to that it was openly talked about and not considered such and issue.
Do some googling on cycling and doping. Here. IIRC the Pelltier brothers are the source of the strycnine quote. Look at the six day races and amphetimes - there is a system of doping in cycling stretching back generations.
My point is that any LA fanboys who still believe this guy is innocent when every other rider, save one, who ever finished on a podium with him at the tour has since been caught for doping are either ignorant or regular viewers of FOX.
05-30-11, 01:07 PM
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Almost every Tuesday night
This proves it.
This proves it.
05-30-11, 10:44 PM
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I grew up in the 70's. I did all kinds of dope. Here's why I am glad I never got into professional cycle racing...who wants to take a drug that doesn't get them high and makes their, umm, privates shrink? Just sayin'...
06-03-11, 09:55 PM
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Lance is extremely focused in his endeavors. He is also lacking in humility and candor, and totally dismissive of anybody who is not on board with his program. These qualities do not raise him above suspicion of being a doper.
06-04-11, 11:44 AM
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Question: Did you dope?
Answer: I passed all the tests.
[strike]What's stopping Lance from stating unequivocally that he never doped? Why can't he say this: "No, I never took any illegal or banned substances at all, m'lud." Isn't this a tacit admission that no one can honestly say they never doped during the period in question? [/strike] (Edit: He's actually said this numerous times, I clearly didn't know what I was talking about on this point!)
I get the feeling that when the heat gets turned up to 11 he'll eventually say something in the order of "well, I was only doing what everyone else was doing."
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06-04-11, 03:48 PM
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Two of Lances' closest friends say he was a user, and distributor. If true, don't condemn him. He worked his ass off. Yeah, calling people liars (if he was lying) is despicable. There is no honor in being a champion who was boosted with dope calling people who also doped but are now revealing it, liars. Bottom line, he had close friends, and he's now trashing them? If you don't have friends, life isn't worth living.
Cyclists are mules/horses. They have bosses and trainers who tell them what they have to do. Money is provided by non-cyclist race oprganizers. The same as "professional" baseball, football, soccer, basketball.
The true professional sports are golf and tennis. THE PLAYERS OWN THE TOURNAMENTS. Players hire their own coach/trainers and fire them at will.
"But if you are bike-racing you need a golden boy, and domestiques to protect him." Not really. That's the way the controllers (non-cyclists) have set it up.
If cyclists want to be treated like beasts of burden, that's what they choose.
Young cyclists shouldn't have to enter this domain. If it requires a bifurcated, "You are an amateur, you can never become a professional, ride clean," vs. "You can become a drug-using professional, you can use whatever drugs you want."
A lot of people are basically sick of cyclists having to use drugs to be top-notch. Including a lot of cyclist parents. Other people think drugs are fine to maximize performance, who cares if they damage cyclists health, long term. Cyclists are just beasts of burden, disposable when they get too old.
Cyclists are mules/horses. They have bosses and trainers who tell them what they have to do. Money is provided by non-cyclist race oprganizers. The same as "professional" baseball, football, soccer, basketball.
The true professional sports are golf and tennis. THE PLAYERS OWN THE TOURNAMENTS. Players hire their own coach/trainers and fire them at will.
"But if you are bike-racing you need a golden boy, and domestiques to protect him." Not really. That's the way the controllers (non-cyclists) have set it up.
If cyclists want to be treated like beasts of burden, that's what they choose.
Young cyclists shouldn't have to enter this domain. If it requires a bifurcated, "You are an amateur, you can never become a professional, ride clean," vs. "You can become a drug-using professional, you can use whatever drugs you want."
A lot of people are basically sick of cyclists having to use drugs to be top-notch. Including a lot of cyclist parents. Other people think drugs are fine to maximize performance, who cares if they damage cyclists health, long term. Cyclists are just beasts of burden, disposable when they get too old.
06-04-11, 04:25 PM
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If he's going to keep denying it, I don't think this tack is all that smart, as it seems very evasive.
Question: Did you dope?
Answer: I passed all the tests.
What's stopping Lance from stating unequivocally that he never doped? Why can't he say this: "No, I never took any illegal or banned substances at all, m'lud." Isn't this a tacit admission that no one can honestly say they never doped during the period in question?
I get the feeling that when the heat gets turned up to 11 he'll eventually say something in the order of "well, I was only doing what everyone else was doing."
Question: Did you dope?
Answer: I passed all the tests.
What's stopping Lance from stating unequivocally that he never doped? Why can't he say this: "No, I never took any illegal or banned substances at all, m'lud." Isn't this a tacit admission that no one can honestly say they never doped during the period in question?
I get the feeling that when the heat gets turned up to 11 he'll eventually say something in the order of "well, I was only doing what everyone else was doing."
I get the feeling that if the heat gets turned up to 11 Lance will cool it down to the 5th. He's shown himself to not be easily paniced
06-04-11, 05:19 PM
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I'm not arguing one way or another, but it hurts the conversation when you make statements that are not substantiated by fact. I know I have heard Armstrong say what you are claiming he never has. A few minutes on youtube produced this ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZT4CSGJ7U
But who really cares because a person can say anything when they aren't under oath. I'm just saying ... facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZT4CSGJ7U
But who really cares because a person can say anything when they aren't under oath. I'm just saying ... facts.
06-04-11, 07:10 PM
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I'm not arguing one way or another, but it hurts the conversation when you make statements that are not substantiated by fact. I know I have heard Armstrong say what you are claiming he never has. A few minutes on youtube produced this ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZT4CSGJ7U
But who really cares because a person can say anything when they aren't under oath. I'm just saying ... facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZT4CSGJ7U
But who really cares because a person can say anything when they aren't under oath. I'm just saying ... facts.
06-05-11, 03:25 AM
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String the Sociopath up.
Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.
If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.
I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.
If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.
I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
Most Yanks don't have this in them. While I've got ya, where can I get some cheap full-carbon clincher rims with 28 or 32 holes and at least 50mm deep?
Does Pismet have them? I noticed you don't sell Gigantex rims any more
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06-05-11, 03:30 AM
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Glad you're in Tiawania or wherever the hell you are. String him up? Stop. You are making yourself look like an idiot. Wait, i've just read some of your past rants. It's to late.Stick to racing champ. You are much better at that than using your typewriter and expressing silly opinions, about which you have zero first hand knowledge. Carry on...
Stop. You are making yourself look like an idiot. Wait, i've just read some of your past rants. It's to late.Stick to racing champ. You are much better at that than using your typewriter and expressing silly opinions, about which you have zero first hand knowledge. Carry on...https://forum.cyclingnews.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20
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