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Old 07-23-11, 10:12 PM
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Probably one of the worst calls of the days was that neither Phil, Paul nor Bob picked Tony Martin in their Cadillac Prediction! I mean c'mon! The guy crushed it a month ago! Poor Bobke thought he had it in the bank going with Cancellara. Woops!
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Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
He was 17th out of 167. He is certainly not great or even very good, but quite awful is a bit much. Better to say that on a day when Cadel was excellent, Andy was only middling in a race where he couldn't afford it. There was no guaratee that such would be the case (see Carlos Sastre). Now I certainly would agree that we all could predict that this would be his problem (albeit with Contador as the foil), so he certainly knew he had to train for the TT, I presume he did, and middling my be the best he'll ever be.
Perhaps awful wasn't the best choice of word but his 17th standing is completely irrelevant if the goal is to win tdF. What matter is their TT time against other contenders. In the case yesterday, it wasn't even close.
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I think Andy lays it our pretty good in his interview. Basically he says he did his very best, has no regrets, but Cadel was better this year. "I came to win, but I won't go home a loser."

I was pulling for Cadel this year, but nest year I will be rooting for Andy next year. Many of us piled on when Andy complained about the wet descent, but he's said nothing to hold against him the past few days, and has ridden an incredible race. Give the guy a break, or go try to express yourself to him in French or German.
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Old 07-24-11, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
He was 17th out of 167. He is certainly not great or even very good, but quite awful is a bit much. Better to say that on a day when Cadel was excellent, Andy was only middling in a race where he couldn't afford it. There was no guaratee that such would be the case (see Carlos Sastre). Now I certainly would agree that we all could predict that this would be his problem (albeit with Contador as the foil), so he certainly knew he had to train for the TT, I presume he did, and middling my be the best he'll ever be.
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Well in the past guys like Gino Bartali, who was not a good time trialist, used to launch tremendous attacks in the mountains in order to pad his lead enough to win the TDF. In those days there were 2 time trials, and they were much longer, so it was probably harder for Bartali to do. However, the main difference was that he absolutely crushed his rivals in the mountains.
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I was going to say that. +1 He was good, just not good enough today.
For the Schlecks they rode personally well. However, given the circumstances, it wasn't good. Andy was trying to win the race and it all came down to that ITT. In the end, it really was about what everyone expected.

The ITT will always be the huge factor that hinders their ability to win a TdF. The way the Tour is today, a rider has to be a great climber and very good to great TT rider. Just being good will get what happened to them in this Tour. As was pointed out with Bartali, unless they can just destroy everyone and come out of the mountains with a 3+ minute lead, the ITT will always be the problem for them.

I think they should try to go out earlier on climbs in earlier stages and just try to kill everyone in the mountains. Get the yellow and then keep attacking the mountains. They're good time trialers, but I really don't see them turning into great ones like a Evans or Contador. Andy might improve some, but Frank hasn't really over his career. So I don't really see them getting to the elite level.
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Originally Posted by TommyL View Post
Give the guy a break, or go try to express yourself to him in French or German.

ok, what the heck is THAT supposed to mean? If you aren't fluent in 3 languages you have no right to comment? I'll happily express myself to Andy and/ or Frank anytime, in English btw, MY language, and I'll never pull for either to win. They're whiny, insufferable, and seem to have a huge sense of entitlement. If they couldn't win this year, when EVERYTHING was stacked their way, between the accidents and the course, good luck in the future.
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Originally Posted by FriendlyFred View Post
ok, what the heck is THAT supposed to mean? If you aren't fluent in 3 languages you have no right to comment? I'll happily express myself to Andy and/ or Frank anytime, in English btw, MY language, and I'll never pull for either to win. They're whiny, insufferable, and seem to have a huge sense of entitlement. If they couldn't win this year, when EVERYTHING was stacked their way, between the accidents and the course, good luck in the future.
What I meant is that English is probably their 3rd language, so trying to nitpick at the nuances of things they say is not really fair. I can't see how you could watch the interviews over the past few days and say that they are whiny or insufferable. To me Andy acted like a mature athlete who was satisfies with his performance and gracious in defeat.
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Originally Posted by TommyL View Post
What I meant is that English is probably their 3rd language, so trying to nitpick at the nuances of things they say is not really fair. I can't see how you could watch the interviews over the past few days and say that they are whiny or insufferable. To me Andy acted like a mature athlete who was satisfies with his performance and gracious in defeat.
No, that's simply not the case. There weren't things lost in translation earlier in the tour. They clearly complained when other wouldn't help him attack. Andy clearly blamed race organizers because he felt one of the descent were to dangerous to be in the race. Of course that was after he had been dropped on a cat 2 climb going up and then lost more time on the descent. That wasn't nuance of language difference. That was somebody being frustrated and blaming others for his shortcoming of the day. He did tone it down. And over the past few days Andy has been more gracious, but that wasn't the case earlier in the Tour. This isn't something that was just brought up. It's been bantered about here for while...http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-GC-contenders
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