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Old 07-22-11, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
It would be fair to say that, or it would be unfair to say that?
Given his history I'd say it would be completely fair to say. This is his perfect chance to win.
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Originally Posted by Kind of Blued View Post
Awesome stage! I hope Cadel can grab yellow tomorrow. Andy earned his spot over Contador this year, but Frank pretty much got a free ride onto the podium, having spent the whole tour following wheels. I really wish Voeckler could have been there instead, he earned it, but so it goes!

Time to start riding my bike again I suppose?
I was thinking I can't watch the TT 'cause I'm going to be riding my bike.
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Originally Posted by dagna;12939023 from the Stage 14 Thread
Voeckler's been very impressive, yes, but what about his faithful pilot fish? Pierre Rolland was there up the whole climb, both today and on Luz-Ardiden. I don't see anyone else's teammates being able to hang with the big boys that long, unless you count Fränk Schleck as a super-domestique (I think of FS more as co-leader).

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Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
Because he's a better time trialer?
2009 Tour
July 23, Stage 18: Annecy - Annecy (ITT) 40.5km, mostly flat course with one hill 2/3 through.

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:48:31
12 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:14
21 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:01:44
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Old 07-22-11, 11:15 AM
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To be honest, I don't think it was a great stage for the Schlecks. Andy should never have tried to follow Contador. By doing so he wore himself out and consequently he was not able to put any time into Evans. Evans is now in position to do what Lemond did in 1989.
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Old 07-22-11, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
Looks like two Schlecks and Evans on the podium on Paris. Only question is their respective positions.
Assuming Andy gets his shifts down tomorrow...too soon/too early?

The Schlecks came to the Tour this year to beat Contador and they will do that, be funny to me if they wind up 2nd and 3rd but ahead of Contador - but no win.
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Old 07-22-11, 11:24 AM
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/75t...tage-9/results 2011 Tour de Suisse time trial results (41k)
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/...stage-3_177669 2011 Dauphine time trial results (32k)

Evans finished 1:20 down on Tony Martin, who is probably 2nd best to Cancellara in TTs. He put 1:19 into Van Den Broeck, 1:29 into Gesink, and 2:07 into Sanchez. Wiggins (1:09) and Brajkovic (3s) were the only GC guys who beat him.

Schleck finished 2:32 down on Cancellara. He finished behind almost all the GC guys: Leipheimer, Danielson, CVV, Hesjedal, and even Cunego. The only guy he really beat was his brother.
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Old 07-22-11, 11:32 AM
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With the exception of Strongarm, guys who do well in the Dauphine usually do poorly in the Tour.

2010 Janez Brajkovic (Slo)
2009 Alejandro Valverde (Spa)
2008 Alejandro Valverde (Spa)
2007 Christophe Moreau (Fra)
2006 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
2005 Inigo Landaluze (Spa)
2004 Iban Mayo (Spa)
2003 Lance Armstrong (USA)
2002 Lance Armstrong (USA)
2001 Christophe Moreau (Fra)
2000 Tyler Hamilton (USA)


2004 Mayo beat lance like a rented mule but was way the heck down at the Tour.
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Old 07-22-11, 11:42 AM
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I posted time trial results, not overall GC results.

I think 2011 time trial results a month before the TDF are more relevant than time trial results from 2009, but that's just me.
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I think the reason Andy will have lost this Tour is because the only person he paid any attention to was Contador. Even today why is he going after a guy 5 minutes down on GC when Evans is within a minute of him and a much better time trailer? His goal for today was to put time into Cadel Evans, and he did not succeed. For that reason, I think he just lost the TDF.
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If Andy loses it will be because he didn't do anything in the Pyrenees.
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How many time do you think Cadel said "Eff off mate" to AS when he was goading him into chasing AC?
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Originally Posted by DXchulo View Post
I posted time trial results, not overall GC results.

I think 2011 time trial results a month before the TDF are more relevant than time trial results from 2009, but that's just me.
And I'm saying results in June for guys who plan to peak in July are the last thing we should be looking at, but that's just me too. Even so you're saying Schleck was 1:12 behind Evans last month. He's got 57 seconds now so losing is far from a done deal.
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Originally Posted by dstrong View Post
How many time do you think Cadel said "Eff off mate" to AS when he was goading him into chasing AC?
Radio use to the rescue. I am sure Cadel did the tactically-brilliant thing b/cos his team car was constantly in his ears about how much gap Contador had on his group. All he had to concetrate on were the two Schlecks, and he did that brilliantly without cooking his legs. I like his chances in yellow after the TT tomorrow.
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Andy has target fixation with Contador instead of the yellow. Even after the race he was saying he was "suprised" that Evans didn't want to contribute to catch Contador. No kidding...because he wasn't racing Contador he was racing you.
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Originally Posted by NathanL View Post
Andy has target fixation with Contador instead of the yellow. Even after the race he was saying he was "suprised" that Evans didn't want to contribute to catch Contador. No kidding...because he wasn't racing Contador he was racing you.
I agree. I don't understand Schlecks tactics at all. Contador would have needed to hop on one of those BMW motorcycles to get back enough time on GC to make a difference to Cadel and Andy. All he was doing was going stage hunting.
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Wow, a couple missed a bunch of tactics. You might want to watch it again. The Schlecks had several cards to play and did. Bottom line is Cadel was stronger and Andy and Frank ran out of cards. Brilliant ride by Cadel. Smart, strong and extremely likely this years champion.

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Could someone explain to me why the Schlecks decided to help Evans up l'Alpe d'Huez? Are they afraid Contador will smash the field in the TT by 5 minutes? Their tactics didn't make any sense to me. Then asking Evans to pace the Schlecks up the climb? It seemed idiotic. I could understand under all that riding, to make a mental error or two in decision making... but their DS was telling them to do it over the radio as well.

Previous to that, Andy didn't seem to help at all on the Galibier, when he could have assisted Contador in putting Evans out of the race.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
And I'm saying results in June for guys who plan to peak in July are the last thing we should be looking at, but that's just me too. Even so you're saying Schleck was 1:12 behind Evans last month. He's got 57 seconds now so losing is far from a done deal.
Both guys were using the TT as a test and neither guy seems to have peaked too early or too late. Schleck was talking all about how he improved his TT, but it didn't look that way in the TDS.

I'm not even saying that Schleck was 1:12 behind Evans. Those were different courses with different distances. I was trying to show that if you compare Evans to his competition in the Dauphine he did much better than Schleck did against his competition in the TDS. If both guys are fresh I would expect Evans to be much faster. That's the big question, though: how fresh are the guys and how much motivation can the yellow jersey give Schleck?
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Originally Posted by kleinboogie View Post
Wow, a couple missed a bunch of tactics. You might want to watch it again. The Schlecks had several cards to play and did. Bottom line is Cadel was stronger and Andy and Frank ran out of cards. Brilliant ride by Cadel. Smart, strong and extremely likely this years champion.
Please explain the tactic that Andy thought Cadel was going to help do the work in the last 5km when Alberto was so far out and Cadel was on Andy's wheel. Not only did he ask in the race he went on about it in the post race interview saying he didn't understand why Cadel didn't want to share the workload....I thought it was pretty obvious that Cadel was racing Andy and Frank and not Alberto unlike the Schlecks.
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Maybe Schleck just wanted to goad Evans to riding harder so he'd risk overexerting himself or be more worn out for tomorrow? As they say, "it doesn't hurt to ask..."
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I think Voeckler would have done better to put that last little bit of courage in his jersey pocket and toss the empty suitcase on the side of the road. How much do you think he hurt himself by riding half the race by himself between AS/AC and the peleton?
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Originally Posted by NathanL View Post
Andy has target fixation with Contador instead of the yellow. Even after the race he was saying he was "suprised" that Evans didn't want to contribute to catch Contador. No kidding...because he wasn't racing Contador he was racing you.
+1 I've noticed this right along with their tactics, he doesn't seem to be trying to win the race (he always acts as if that were a given) so much as beat AC. He wasn't goading Evans, he is genuinely shocked that Evans wasn't as fixated on AC as he is.
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Originally Posted by DXchulo View Post
Both guys were using the TT as a test and neither guy seems to have peaked too early or too late. Schleck was talking all about how he improved his TT, but it didn't look that way in the TDS.

I'm not even saying that Schleck was 1:12 behind Evans. Those were different courses with different distances. I was trying to show that if you compare Evans to his competition in the Dauphine he did much better than Schleck did against his competition in the TDS. If both guys are fresh I would expecIt Evans to be much faster. That's the big question, though: how fresh are the guys and how much motivation can the yellow jersey give Schleck?
I thought you were saying Evans beat Andy in the Dauphine. No argument Evans will beat Andy in the TT. I question whether he will beat him by a minute in 40K when Schleck has yellow on his back. 30 seconds? easy, 45 seconds? 50/50, 60 seconds? 20/80 chance.
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Let's not forget that since he's in yellow, AS will start after Evans, and this gives AS a small advantage.
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