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Stage 18: Thursday, July 21 201 km Pinerolo (IT) → Col du Galibier - Serre Chevalie

Old 07-21-11, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Kupkake View Post
its kinda disappointing to me that Vockler is just going to ride wheels to keep yellow.
That's not wheel sucking. That a competitor who shouldn't even be in contention riding the best he can. And the best he can is way beyond what anyone would ever expect of him. He's no Schleck, Evans, etc. He's a guy seven years past his prime making the big guns work for that yellow.
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Well done boys there all champions,breed apart, I love them all.
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Is there room left on the Evans bandwagon? I'll give credit where credit is due to Andy today, but I hope he doesn't win overall. If things stay as they are today, Evans can make up that time in the TT.

Andy and Evans should both be tired tomorrow. If Frank can attack and not worry about Andy he could steal this thing.
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Old 07-21-11, 09:57 AM
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Merckx on stage....perfect.
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Whats funny is you see good ride Garmin, good ride TV good ride Evans. Where the love for Andy that made the stage? If Evans was the one off the front and Andy had lost 2 minutes I am sure there would have been no great ride Andy postings forthcoming. I agree great ride by Evans, but wow AS had the ride of the day not Evans.

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What a stage. Spectacular stage win for Andy. I think Cadel did well too and Voekler was amazing.

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I'm still holding on to my prediction that the podium will be Schlecks and Evans. I don't know the order though. Tomorrow is a another massive climb and anything can happen. Today Cadel dragged the group up the hill and dropped Sanchez and Contador, who would have figured. Amazing ride by Andy. Regarding Voeckler he did what he had to do and what most thought he couldn't do. He deserves the respect the Yellow Jersey commands. Cheers
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Old 07-21-11, 10:14 AM
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My only complaint against Andy has been that he seems to consider himself a champion on par with Contador and others, despite the fact that he's never earned it by riding like a champion, with no excuses when it doesn't work out. One day won't change my mind completely, or the standings, but if he can do it again tomorrow, I'll respect him for finally finding how to ride with gusto and panache. I stick with my rule of rooting for riders who earn their results by being entertaining, fearless, and taking chances.

Contador has finally given me a reason to not cheer for him, because how he and Sanchez rode today convinces me that they don't deserve the victory. Contador is still my favorite rider to watch, an excellent animator, but he was a shell of his typical self today.

As of today, Cadel, Voeckler, and Andy are the only riders that deserve to be on the podium as far as I'm concerned. If Frank or somebody else can ride like a champion tomorrow and in the TT, they could earn it too.

A gutsy move by Andy today. Barring Evans, the "chase group" lost the race just as much as Andy won it. There was no "chase" to speak of.

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Old 07-21-11, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
He may have a legit complaint.
Actually I don't think that he will complain because with the advantage of 20/20 hindsight the ONLY person who COULD have helped him was Frank and he simply wasn't going to. Cadel left everyone else behind and Voekler was absolutely SPENT. I can't see Voekler doing the same tomorrow.

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That was epic. Andy went balls out!!!
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Originally Posted by kleinboogie View Post
I'm still holding on to my prediction that the podium will be Schlecks and Evans. I don't know the order though. Tomorrow is a another massive climb and anything can happen. Today Cadel dragged the group up the hill and dropped Sanchez and Contador, who would have figured. Amazing ride by Andy. Regarding Voeckler he did what he had to do and what most thought he couldn't do. He deserves the respect the Yellow Jersey commands. Cheers
It's great to finally see the Schlecks use their duality in a way that doesn't involve holding each other's hands the whole time. It has been hit-or-miss for so long, but the technique they used today worked absolutely perfectly for both of them. They didn't have to sacrifice either of them.

Andy gains tons of time, Frank has an easy day getting towed by Andy's chasers, Frank now has tomorrow to go on the attack while Andy follows wheels, and their double podium finish may finally work out.

The only problem is that Andy still needs 15-30 seconds on Voeckler going into the TT, and Frank has to gain a LOT of time in one day due to his achille's heel that is time trialing. It's all up to Voeckler, and I hope he can hang in there for the win. If he can get through tomorrow with about the same time as the Schlecks, I think he could win the Tour in the time trial.
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Old 07-21-11, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Kind of Blued View Post
My only complaint against Andy has been that he seems to consider himself a champion on par with Contador and others, despite the fact that he's never earned it by riding like a champion, with no excuses when it doesn't work out. One day won't change my mind completely, or the standings, but if he can do it again tomorrow, I'll respect him for finally finding how to ride with gusto and panache. I stick with my rule of rooting for riders who earn their results by being entertaining, fearless, and taking chances.
I think Andy Schleck has been playing a 2-week long "rope a dope" with all the GC contenders, hiding his true form and making smoke-and-mirror comments.
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Old 07-21-11, 10:39 AM
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If Andy wins tomorrow's stage he may be KOM to.

If Andy goes into the TT with yellow he will have the TT of his life. A few more seconds over Cadel would be nice though for him. Man I can't wait for tomorrow

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Old 07-21-11, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kind of Blued View Post
Attacking and breaking away are very different things. He has the panache to attack, though. Hell, he has a suitcase of panache.
Panache out the wah-freaking-zoo
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Andy needs 1.45 over Evans going into the TT to feel secure, imo. I don't know if he has the legs to attack 2 days in a row. Evans is still in good position provided that he can stay in contact with Andy tomorrow.
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Old 07-21-11, 10:50 AM
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The stage profile graphics are really kind of misleading. At least some of how this "carnage" will play out will have to do with team strength. I can't say how much because i don't know which way the winds are blowing.

Some of the interesting aspects - where the heck is Contador's team - Sanchez?

Leopard/schleck-stik - is Hincapi over the hill?

Cadel - "i have no climbers" Evans?

Anyway - look for a snooze fest -for at least the first 150k ........ You can thank me at 14:15 GMT 7 -21 -11
For some reason, I get the sense that Riis has been having them cool their jets for this stage. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them up at the front in force tomorrow.

This is the best scenario for us. Contador is behind and has to attack. Schleck is behind and has to attack. Sanchez is behind and has to attack. Evans is in good shape but probably wouldn't mind getting closer to Voeckler or even taking yellow. Its going to be epic.
well -now you know why my name is RC - but at least i was right about Cadel "I have no climbers" Evans ...... wahhhhh wahhhhhh
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AS just rode the best stage ride of the TdF this year. Certainly the best ride of any GC rider. After that, he deserves the GC win. But after that epic ride, can he follow through tomorrow and Saturday? I have my doubts.
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Originally Posted by Kind of Blued View Post
My only complaint against Andy has been that he seems to consider himself a champion on par with Contador and others, despite the fact that he's never earned it by riding like a champion...
Andy took an enormous risk today, and once he took off he didn't look back. It was a combination of a huge effort, tactical planning, teamwork and good luck.

Anyone who can outride that bunch and crack Contador in the process is definitely "on par" with the GC candidates.

And I'm pretty sure that anyone who gets personally cheered on by Merckx on the final HC climb probably qualifies as championship material.


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Contador has finally given me a reason to not cheer for him, because how he and Sanchez rode today convinces me that they don't deserve the victory.
Erk?

Contador is out not because he conducted himself badly; he's out because he put too much work into the Giro, didn't recover properly, and got caught in a few crashes. Hardly a reason to throw him off the cliff.


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As of today, Cadel, Voeckler, and Andy are the only riders that deserve to be on the podium as far as I'm concerned.
Good thing it isn't up to you then.
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AS just rode the best stage ride of the TdF this year. Certainly the best ride of any GC rider. After that, he deserves the GC win. But after that epic ride, can he follow through tomorrow and Saturday? I have my doubts.
I'd say Thor's mountain stage win was more awesome, and Voeckler's breakaway stage is comparable to Andy's. Voeckler got yellow and a huge margin on that stage.
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Great stage. It's fun to have so many great performances -- Andy, Evans, Voeckler, and half of Garmin-Cervelo all rode their hearts out.

It's a shame Contador couldn't give anything to the chase, it would have been a lot closer if he did. And my man Sanchez was nowhere to be seen sadly.

Wonder what Contador and Sanchez said to each other before the last climb. "Hey Sammy, here's the plan: I'll crack at the summit to distract them, while you vanish off the face of the earth."
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Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
Andy took an enormous risk today, and once he took off he didn't look back. It was a combination of a huge effort, tactical planning, teamwork and good luck.

Anyone who can outride that bunch and crack Contador in the process is definitely "on par" with the GC candidates.

And I'm pretty sure that anyone who gets personally cheered on by Merckx on the final HC climb probably qualifies as championship material.



Erk?

Contador is out not because he conducted himself badly; he's out because he put too much work into the Giro, didn't recover properly, and got caught in a few crashes. Hardly a reason to throw him off the cliff.



Good thing it isn't up to you then.
You misunderstood basically everything I wrote. Read better. For example, "has" is past tense, and I use it twice in the first sentence.

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blued View Post
I'd say Thor's mountain stage win was more awesome, and Voeckler's breakaway stage is comparable to Andy's. Voeckler got yellow and a huge margin on that stage.
Nah Voeckler got so much time on that stage because of all the crashes. Thor's mountain stage was pretty good, but AS rode away from the GC pack on a 10% grade and then sustained the lead over a huge distance. He did a tremendous amount of riding out front on an incredibly tough course.
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I'm still not a fan of the brothers Schleck, but Andy definitely put in a courageous move. I think though, that the Tour is Frank's to take tomorrow. Everyone else who is anywhere near contention suffered miserably today. Tomorrow's strategy - Frank bolts, and Andy marks. Anything else would be stupid - barring Contador returning from the dead, or Basso growing wings.
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I'm still not a fan of the brothers Schleck, but Andy definitely put in a courageous move. I think though, that the Tour is Frank's to take tomorrow. Everyone else who is anywhere near contention suffered miserably today. Tomorrow's strategy - Frank bolts, and Andy marks. Anything else would be stupid - barring Contador returning from the dead, or Basso growing wings.
sadly you're right, Cuddles was in the best position, and if he can keep the gap at or less than 2 minutes he may be able to pull that out of the TT, but I doubt it. Very smart racing for the AS today, but personally i am still voting for Evans.

Cadel rode himself inside out today, something I am sure he'll pay for tomorrow, if FS doesn't attack tomorrow he's a fool.
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Man, some heck of a stage! I am beginning to think this Voeckler guy might take this thing. The guy is gonna fight, fight and fight.
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