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Old 07-25-11, 04:35 PM
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Name a TdF rider whom you think could compete in AND win RAAM

Personally, I don't think there is one. What do you think?
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Old 07-25-11, 04:45 PM
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Personally, I think most of them could.
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Old 07-25-11, 05:10 PM
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Old 07-25-11, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Personally, I think most of them could.
You don't think these guys are all "spoiled" by the kind of support they get from their huge organizations? Actually, now that I think of it, given the vast amount of resources a pro rider gets, they probably could. Would definitely love to see them try.
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I don't think there is any way to tell based on TdF performance how well a rider would do in an event like RAAM.

Pro cycling and RAAM are vastly different types of events with different challenges.

So far the only ex-pro I know of who did RAAM is Leah Goldstein, who took #1 this year despite severe neck issues. Her palmares were decent (lots of high placings in Mt Hood and Gila).

I thought there was at least one male ex-pro who did it, but I may be thinking of tris instead.
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Old 07-25-11, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by idoru2005 View Post
You don't think these guys are all "spoiled" by the kind of support they get from their huge organizations?
RAAM riders are required to have support during the event. I'd think that it'd be impossible to ride without it, since a) the riders need to consume massive amounts of calories and b) it'd be wildly unsafe to ride alone for that long on so little sleep.
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Old 07-25-11, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
So far the only ex-pro I know of who did RAAM is Leah Goldstein,
I thought there was at least one male ex-pro who did it, but I may be thinking of tris instead.
It was Boyer in 1985 - bragged that RAAM was an exersize in staying awake, got called on it, entered and won the race by riding faster and sleeping more... hardly any specific training for RAAM.

Boyer was pack fodder as a Euro pro - so probably half the Tour finishers could probably do RAAM and win with the right strategy and a little coaching.

Among endurance events, RAAM is a high bar... but the TdF cyclists are a couple notches higher in the speed and fitness categories.
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Old 07-25-11, 06:05 PM
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Cavendish can't climb for crap; but he can probably climb waay faster than anyone most of us have ever known or met.
Evans can't sprint for crap; but he can probably sprint waay faster than anyone most of us have ever known or met.

They are just that good.
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Old 07-25-11, 06:29 PM
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Any of them.
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Old 07-25-11, 06:31 PM
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The early TDF races were endurance events fairly similar to RAAM. For example, in 1926 the route was 5,745 kilometers.

It was Henri Pelissier (1923 TDF champion) who first made the argument that a shorter race at higher speeds, would be a more athletic event and more entertaining to watch. Over the years, Henri Peissier's argument has been proven, imo.
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Old 07-25-11, 06:44 PM
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I'd say most of them could if they really wanted to. If I were to pick one, it'd be a GC-type who can time trial, suggesting that they can recover quickly when they get a chance to rest, and maintain good power while on the bike.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
It was Boyer in 1985 - bragged that RAAM was an exersize in staying awake, got called on it, entered and won the race by riding faster and sleeping more... hardly any specific training for RAAM.

Boyer was pack fodder as a Euro pro - so probably half the Tour finishers could probably do RAAM and win with the right strategy and a little coaching.

Among endurance events, RAAM is a high bar... but the TdF cyclists are a couple notches higher in the speed and fitness categories.
I agree. The pros are simply faster than the guys who race RAAM now, and pro cyclists are tough SOBs. Give them a good enough incentive (more money than they're making now) and there's no reason to think they couldn't train themselves to ride as long as the RAAM guys do now.
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Old 07-25-11, 07:35 PM
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I don't know if the sprinters have the patience for an event like that. I expect that all the rest of them could easily win, especially if they put some effort into RAAM-specific training.
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Old 07-25-11, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
It was Boyer in 1985 - bragged that RAAM was an exersize in staying awake, got called on it, entered and won the race by riding faster and sleeping more... hardly any specific training for RAAM.

Boyer was pack fodder as a Euro pro - so probably half the Tour finishers could probably do RAAM and win with the right strategy and a little coaching.

Among endurance events, RAAM is a high bar... but the TdF cyclists are a couple notches higher in the speed and fitness categories.
This was just before I got into riding.
My friend, who helped to to steer me the right direction in regards to riding,
told me that they televised Boyer eating plates of spaghetti while riding and
beat that Boyer beat Michael Secrest easily. I do remember Boyer say he could
have rode faster, if pushed. I do remember the picture of Boyer and Secrest
shaking hands--they both had a look that said: "F' you." I'd say that all of the
TDF riders could win the RAAM
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Old 07-25-11, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cat4Lifer View Post
they televised Boyer eating plates of spaghetti while riding
Yeah, and lots of John Tesch music... might be the year Shermer had the cable to hold up his neck too.

Couldn't get the Tour or any other bike race on TV, but RAAM and spaghetti and neck cables somehow made the cut.
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Old 07-25-11, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
It was Boyer in 1985 - bragged that RAAM was an exersize in staying awake, got called on it, entered and won the race by riding faster and sleeping more... hardly any specific training for RAAM.

Boyer was pack fodder as a Euro pro - so probably half the Tour finishers could probably do RAAM and win with the right strategy and a little coaching.

Among endurance events, RAAM is a high bar... but the TdF cyclists are a couple notches higher in the speed and fitness categories.
/discussion -- any of them could.

Of interest, though, half way through, Boyer started riding more & sleeping less and flew past Seacrest, who had been leading. Seacrest gives some pathetic interview: "Well I could push big gears like he does, too, and be beating him. But why would I want to do that?" (2:40 in the video). Hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKCQsLyaqI
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Old 07-25-11, 08:37 PM
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Apples to oranges.

I'd say any of them, if they trained specifically for RAAM.
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Oh man, Secrest was rockin' the red lycra shorts way before anyone else.
Love the Oakley Pilots and the Winning jersey, tho.
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Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
I don't know if the sprinters have the patience for an event like that. I expect that all the rest of them could easily win, especially if they put some effort into RAAM-specific training.
They have the patience, they ride 22 stages for a chance to sprint at the end of like 6 or 7 of them.
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I think the best candidate would be a strong classics rider who is also good at TTs. Put Cancellara out there, give him a big enough prize, and he could break the average speed record.
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Anquetil

In 1965, the same day he wrapped up victory in the 8-day Dauphine stage race, five-time TdF winner Jacques Anquetil flew to Bordeaux for the 560km Bordeaux-Paris race starting that night. He won that, too. Anquetil was an exceptional time-trialist, of course, but that he could do that double suggests to me that he (if he weren't dead), and any other outstanding TdF time-trialist, could do very well in RAAM.
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Old 07-26-11, 12:14 PM
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Any pro who has completed the TDF in its history could win the FRAAM.
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In 1965, the same day he wrapped up victory in the 8-day Dauphine stage race, five-time TdF winner Jacques Anquetil flew to Bordeaux for the 560km Bordeaux-Paris race starting that night. He won that, too. Anquetil was an exceptional time-trialist, of course, but that he could do that double suggests to me that he (if he weren't dead), and any other outstanding TdF time-trialist, could do very well in RAAM.
One of cyclings all-time great feats.
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The fastest-ever RAAM winner averaged less than 17mph on the bike, 15.4 mph including stops. Stick Cancellara in there and he'll average over 20mph on the bike, get two hours extra rest every day, and beat the record comfortably.
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17? that sounds slow. Im intersested in how much their performance decreases towards the end.
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