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Old 07-27-11, 11:48 AM
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Yellow Jersey nonsense

So ive been thinking about all the hyperbole that surrounds the Yellow jersey and how it makes men ride better and all that. Isnt it really that when a non GC contender gets it that his team just rides more for him and thats really why he looks better.

TV rode very well this tour but he didnt ride better because of his days in yellow. He rode better because he became an actual threat with his breakaway time gain. AS didnt look any better with it on and in fact he looked worse.

What say you? Does the yellow jersey make you ride better or is it all nonsense easily explained by riding to protect it and having your team work for you.
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Old 07-27-11, 12:49 PM
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It's more of a burden to the GC guys, especially early in the race. There's more pressure on the team to ride at the front, there's more media pressure, more interview time, etc. Andy was lucky in that he got yellow so late and it actually gave him one advantage- starting last in the TT. It turns out that he wasn't close enough to be able to use that advantage.

I do think that the yellow jersey benefits the lower tier guys who have no goals other than keeping the jersey as long as they can. It's not like something magical happens to them, but they become motivated to ride as hard as they can for a while and they don't care if that makes them feel like crap for the rest of the race. I think Voeckler fits in that category. If he had lost the jersey in the Pyrenees but was still high on GC, I don't think you would have seen him fight so hard in the Alps.
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Old 07-27-11, 01:14 PM
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You don't think Volker pushed himself beyond the redline to keep it for a few more days?
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Old 07-27-11, 01:35 PM
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Voeckler is not just a gutsy rider, he is French. If you have never been there while it's on, you cannot imagine what the Tour means in France. It is, without exaggeration, one of the things that defines their nation. And they haven't had a winner since Hinault. Any French rider in yellow will turn himself inside-out to keep it for one more day, even if he has no chance in the GC and even if it trashes his chances for stage wins later on.
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I don't see how you could watch Thor finish with the elite group (ahead of Andy Schleck, Wiggins, Basso, Cunego) on the Mur de Bretagne and conclude that the yellow jersey advantage is nonsense.

Also, I don't think it's fair to say Andy Schleck rode worse with the yellow jersey. He wore it only for the time trial, and there he finished 17th, less than a minute behind Cancellara, just 30 seconds behind Danielson and Boasson Hagen, on even time with current Italian ITT national champion Malori, and ahead of Vande Velde, Karpets, Millar, Basso, etc. This was a far better performance than last year's effort, maybe the best ITT Andy has ever ridden. And that's with Andy clearly tailing off in the second half. The margin between Andy and Cadel was more due to Cadel's brilliance than Andy's poor performance.

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Old 07-28-11, 07:33 AM
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Man in yellow gets more media coverage/ more media coverage raises profile of sponser/ sponser keeps spending money to support team/ more money means rider tries a bit harder.
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Old 07-28-11, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sakonnetclip View Post
You don't think Volker pushed himself beyond the redline to keep it for a few more days?
I thnik the OP is refering to the hype of the Vrs announcers which nmakes it seem like wearing the yellow jersey almost gives a rider magical powers. The OP is not saying that the rider does not push himself, the most he is saying against that is that the team gives total support, somethgin they would not do to keep a rider in second or third place (for a rider not apt to still be ther in Paris).

I think the OP is correct. No magic inspiration. Just a change in what is worth doing. When in yellow for a team and rider with little to no chance to be there in Paris it is worth holding as long as possible, and the effort is put in with that goal. We have seen it time and again with a lesser rider holding yellow, when it is finally lost they usually fall far down the classification. Voeckler was a major exception there, in large part because he held it long enough to be in a position to have a good final placing (and at least a dream of a podium spot).

One of the most notable situations is whenever a pure or near pure climber is in Yellow for a TT. He often puts in the TT of his life. There is no magic here, such a rider often only has ridden TTs (at least since he turned pro) as part of Tours. He has almost always gone in to a TT with nothing to gain, surely not a stage win or good stage placing. So all his TT efforts have been kept along the limnes of put in a decent effort, stay well clear of elimination time and perhaps work on form and pacing, almost a training ride. Never anywhere near maximum effort. Then he for once has somethgin to ride for a reason to put in maximum effort and the difference shows.
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Old 07-29-11, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SunSwingsLow View Post
What say you? Does the yellow jersey make you ride better or is it all nonsense easily explained by riding to protect it and having your team work for you.
yes, becasuse "riding better" and "riding to protect it" are mutually exclusive ideas. lol
that's what people generally mean when they say "the yellow jersey makes you ride better."
the leader rides better than he otherwise would have in order to protect the yellow jersey.
i think it's called "motivation."
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Old 08-02-11, 03:05 AM
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I think it is funny that everyone doubting the "magical powers" has never worn it but the people who profess it does have them have actually rode a day in the Tour with it on their backs.

Yes I believe you ride better - I say that because just about everyone who has ever worn it said that and none of them have ever said it was bunk. That's as close to proof as I will ever come!
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