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Old 08-18-11, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
What, from Andean llama herders?
Himself?
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[QUOTE=LemondFanForeve;13095677]Not sure really.....ask lance...the longer he maintains his innocence, w/o providing any proof either way, stuff like this will continue.

Wouldn't proof be that he has not tested positive? Whereas Landis and Hamilton both have tested positive.
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Not sure really.....ask lance...the longer he maintains his innocence, w/o providing any proof either way, stuff like this will continue.

Wouldn't proof be that he has not tested positive? Whereas Landis and Hamilton both have tested positive.
What "proof" are you talking about? EVERY time they ask, he hides behind some lawyer, and then threatens to sue. has he given any proof to folks to make questions about it, stop? no. he just continues saying "I didnt do this...blah blah blah". Everyone pretty much takes him @ his word......
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
Riders started getting banned for EPO in 1988.
Yep, so that means, his back to back titles in 89/90 would be stripped from him right now, if they started the testing back then? "IF"(and I dont think it's true) he were "using transfusions" back then, like the poster claimed? "transfusions" would be classified as a form of "PED's", making Lemond ineligble in those races, correct?

AFAICT, he's still listed as a "3 time TDF champion'. That said, LA is still(FOR NOW), a 7 time champ. But, the questions persist. I have a feeling, that within the next 5 years, Armstrong will be stripped of those titles, as more will come out. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
What, from Andean llama herders?
Transfusion was the definition of blood doping.
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Transfusion was the definition of blood doping.
Got that, BUT, poster(s) still have yet to post ANY "proof", Lemond did such a thing? I dont think it was illegal to use "transfusions", back then?
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Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve View Post
Yep, so that means, his back to back titles in 89/90 would be stripped from him right now, if they started the testing back then? "IF"(and I dont think it's true) he were "using transfusions" back then, like the poster claimed? "transfusions" would be classified as a form of "PED's", making Lemond ineligble in those races, correct?

AFAICT, he's still listed as a "3 time TDF champion'. That said, LA is still(FOR NOW), a 7 time champ. But, the questions persist. I have a feeling, that within the next 5 years, Armstrong will be stripped of those titles, as more will come out. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.
I didn't say Lemond was using EPO, I was just pointing out that it was available and being abused while he was competing.

Your posts have an odd bitterness towards LA and other riders that I couldn't quite figure out what it reminded me of until now: you sound like Greg Lemond whenever he was complaining or criticizing Armstrong or Floyd or Contador. I could see Lemond posting under the handle "LemondFanForeve". Are you Greg Lemond?
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I didn't say Lemond was using EPO, I was just pointing out that it was available and being abused while he was competing.
Never said you did...someone did though, I was simply remarking, that IF he did use "transfusions", (like this person claims he did), then wouldnt they have stripped him by now of those 2-3 titles? I mean, it's been 21 yrs, since his last win.


Your posts have an odd bitterness towards LA and other riders that I couldn't quite figure out what it reminded me of until now: you sound like Greg Lemond whenever he was complaining or criticizing Armstrong or Floyd or Contador. I could see Lemond posting under the handle "LemondFanForeve".
LOL, Im flattered, but no, my name is Jeff. I am a huge Lemond fan, and truth be told, really really wanted to believe in LA, but, once all the talk of the "EPO/PED" started coming out, I began to lose ALOT of respect for him. Often times in his interviews, he comes across as condescending, and kind of boorish. He also comes across as kind of an egotistical A$$hole. Im sure his rep is well earned, and respected by some. Over the last 5-10 years, though, he's come across as more of a phoney, than anything else. He hides behind everyone, and everything, to protect his image, and his bank account.

Do I like him as a rider? Yes, but, as a person, who honestly won those 7 TDF's totally, "100% clean"? No. Eventually, it will come out, whether he did or he didn't. If he didn't, then why put yourself through all the BS over the years? Just admit it and move on. If he did, and it comes out that he did, then his career, and his legacy will be that of a joke. Just my opinion.
Not to mention, the sport will be hurt too, & most assuredly, will be set back some years.

Believe me, Im not Lemond. I'm flattered that you thought that, but no. lets be honest though, and say that if I were (or anyone else here was), do you think they'd freely admit to it? Doubtful.

I was born in Mich, got into cycling @ age 15, when a neighbor, who was fixing my bike @ the time, suggested I go for some rides, I did, liked them, and have been a fan ever since. I once had a correspondance with him,through writing letters. His wife Kathy wrote me back one time.

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Old 08-19-11, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve View Post
Never said you did...someone did though, I was simply remarking, that IF he did use "transfusions", (like this person claims he did), then wouldnt they have stripped him by now of those 2-3 titles? I mean, it's been 21 yrs, since his last win.
The problem with blood doping is if you used your own blood (re-transfusion) there is no direct test. What they look for today is elevated levels of this or that, but it's all based upon a set of accepted limits. Back then they couldn't even test that. And even today plenty of riders blood dope a little, but make sure to stay with in the limits.

Personally, I would like to see stricter testing with serious penalties going forward. But I don't see the point of a witch hunt going back to Lemond's era because in all likelyhood if he was doing anything the next guy in line probably was too.
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LA spent years building up teams that could help him win the Tour de France. As some of the men that helped him become great now realize that their prime years are gone and they have failed to achieve the greatness they feel they deserve, they have become full of regrets, rage, jealousy and greed.

These riders feel used now, realizing that the time when they were in peak condition and could have won they allowed themselves to be played a pawn in LA’s game. They fail to realize that had it not been for LA training, financing& marketing, diet regime and drive they them selves would not have become as good as they were.

They now grasp at the whatever notoriety they can, even to be known as the one that brought down the golden boy would do.

Just my 2’
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
The problem with blood doping is if you used your own blood (re-transfusion) there is no direct test. What they look for today is elevated levels of this or that, but it's all based upon a set of accepted limits. Back then they couldn't even test that. And even today plenty of riders blood dope a little, but make sure to stay with in the limits.

Personally, I would like to see stricter testing with serious penalties going forward. But I don't see the point of a witch hunt going back to Lemond's era because in all likelyhood if he was doing anything the next guy in line probably was too.
Of course unless your handlers bungle the job like they did with Hamilton and Santiago Perez having their blood bags switched - probably by mislabeling them or forgetting the code on the bags.
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Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve View Post
I once had a correspondance with him,through writing letters. His wife Nancy wrote me back one time.
Ummmmm....Kathy?

just sayin'
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Ummmmm....Kathy?

just sayin'
That whole thing sounds stalkerish anyway.
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Originally Posted by baj32161 View Post
Ummmmm....Kathy?

just sayin'
LOL, I tried to go back...missed it. I was also9and still am) a huge Jim McMahon fan, his wife's name is nancy, so i got the 2 confused.
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
That whole thing sounds stalkerish anyway.
Writing letters to a guy you admire, when you're 15? I can only imagine some of the crazy things you've done in your life.
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LOL, I tried to go back...missed it. I was also9and still am) a huge Jim McMahon fan, his wife's name is nancy, so i got the 2 confused.
By the way, I am also a huge Greg LeMond fan
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Originally Posted by baj32161 View Post
By the way, I am also a huge Greg LeMond fan
Have you ever written to his dad Bob Lemond, when he lived in Carson City?

good for you.

I detect your sarcasm......I messed up on a name, no biggie. Apparently to you , it is though?

Must be boring in Toronto this time of year?

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Also, to follow up on the LA allegations:

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-interview-c...174837355.html


AP Interview: Cycling president sees 'golden era'


..AIGLE, Switzerland (AP) — After years of doping scandals in which the very legitimacy of his sport was questioned, Pat McQuaid says cycling's best days await.

The president of cycling's governing body points to this year's "superb" Tour de France with young riders competing free of drugs, developments that will help attract new sponsors and race organizers worldwide.

"We are looking towards a golden era," McQuaid told The Associated Press. "We are certainly coming out of a dark period, and we're not yet through everything. From the anti-doping point of view, we must not take our foot off the pedal."

McQuaid urged professional teams, with whom he has sparred this season, to back the International Cycling Union's leadership and its strategy of taking cycling to such countries as China, Russia and Brazil.

"It needs everybody working in that direction, but it has to be led by the UCI, working with governments to deliver the products that we want," he said.

McQuaid reflected on the season in road racing, the discipline that largely shapes public perception of cycling, after overseeing the 2012 Olympic test event in London last Sunday.

The dress rehearsal road race was won by home favorite Mark Cavendish. The British sprint star has helped ensure that riders — like Philippe Gilbert, Tour winner Cadel Evans and Thomas Voeckler — rather than dopers have dominated the headlines.

"This year has been a very good year so far," McQuaid said. "We had excellent racing in the (spring) classics and everything about the Tour de France was superb."

McQuaid said the sport is gradually regaining its credibility.

"You get a lot of young riders coming through and believing each other that they are clean — which gives them the confidence that they won't come under pressure to go into a doping program."

The only doping blight on the Tour, Russian rider Alexandr Kolobnev's positive test for a banned diuretic, proved a distraction ahead of stage 10 rather than a crisis.

McQuaid, however, is not celebrating victory yet.

"You don't change the culture overnight. It takes a couple of years and it's still a work in progress," the Irishman acknowledged. "We must continue to do targeted, intelligent testing."

Eventually, riders' confidence in each other will be shared by the fans, media and finally major companies wanting to invest in cycling, McQuaid said.

The UCI leader has staked much of his credibility since 2005 on taking a global view of the sport's future beyond Europe — a strategy he believes is justified by the continent's economic problems.

McQuaid was elected to the International Olympic Committee last year, allowing him to help develop new cycling markets in such countries as Brazil and Colombia.

"I need my IOC colleagues to open the doors for me and he will do that because he trusts the UCI and trusts the credibility of the sport," he said.

Talks are ongoing for a race in Russia after President Vladimir Putin approached McQuaid's UCI predecessor at Olympic meetings in 2007.

But cycling's brighter future must still confront its past. There are investigations involving winners of 10 of the past 13 Tours de France, Lance Armstrong and Alberto Contador.

He says a U.S. federal investigation into alleged doping by Armstrong's teams has contacted cycling's governing body just once in 16 months.

"There was one email came in from a deputy attorney in Los Angeles, just asking what year did the use of EPO get introduced into our rules," McQuaid said. "It was one simple line, one simple question. That's the only contact we have had with that investigation. We know nothing,"

The UCI joined the World Anti-Doping Agency in appealing a Spanish acquittal of Contador for his positive test for clenbuterol while winning the 2010 Tour. The case before the Court of Arbitration for Sport is set for November.

"Whatever the justice is, we will accept," McQuaid said.

Contador's Aug. 1-3 hearing was postponed because of legal delays, allowing cycling to focus on Evans and Cavendish in the aftermath of the Tour.

Another win for Cavendish next July — the first gold medal awarded at the Olympics — could present cycling at its best just yards from the front door of Buckingham Palace.

"It shows what the value of cycling is to an Olympic venue. It shows off the iconic aspects of the place," McQuaid said. "Riders and managers said to me afterwards it really shocked them how many people were on the road."

McQuaid acknowledges that if Cavendish enters the Olympics as world champion "the pressure would be enormous."

At the Beijing Games, silver medalist Davide Rebellin was later disqualified for doping. McQuaid looks forward to a London podium where all the medalists are clean.

"I think it will be," he said. "We're going in that direction."

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Awesome! Floyd, tell it bro! Haters all over kissing their Armstrong rubber bands. Oh well. Bruyneel, a coach? A director sportif?! Haha! Hope he enjoys his time in prison that is about to be his. International drug dealing won't get him far except for a Shared 2x2 cell with some dude that forgot what women looked like years ago.
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Floyd is like so many others who got sucked into the doping vortex. They all made bad decisions, Floyd compounded his bad decisions.
It's sad. With his upbringing, it shows how compellling the doping scene in cycling has been for riders.
I wish him well and hope he finds a way to lift himself out of the minepit he's dug. If anything, his base upbringing should be part of his tools.
Based on the upbiquitous nature of doping, I don;t discount his claims, especially if they are borne out by others.

as for Lance - if he was so clean then why was he at the forfront of hounding CHristohe Bassons out of the peloton - in fact making him his whipping boy at every opportunity?
Lance is sociopathic enough for me to not place much weight in his claims.
I put more weight to Emma O'Reilly.
I do think that more clearing of the air would be a good thing. Bring it on.
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Until the air is cleared everything that is said about Lance is hearsay. We know that Landis and Hamilton cheated there is actual proof. Im not saying Lance didn't or did cheat, but where is the proof.
What is it going to take to clear the air. You have already heard direct testimony from eye witnesses. If you don't believe that you won't believe anything until big brother says what the truth is. Even what you consider to be proof can be manipulated. And there are multiple witnesses to that. So do you really think that there is absolute proof in a world that is run by greedy corrupt individuals were profits and media image are more important than anything else.

Even if there was no proof that LA doped in the culture of the pro peloton there is only about a 1 in 200 chance that Armstrong was clean.

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Amen fella's.
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Armstrong could end all the speculation, and rumors, by simply coming out, offering up proof, that he didn't, and it will probably go away. Does he do that though? no, rthe second something comes out about it, he hides behind a lawyer(Just Like Clemens), and swears up and down he didnt "cheat". Then put all of the speculation to rest?
Could you give an example of what you would consider "proof" that he didn't do anything? If lack of a positive test isn't proof enough I can't fathom what he could produce that prove he didn't do it.
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Could you give an example of what you would consider "proof" that he didn't do anything? If lack of a positive test isn't proof enough I can't fathom what he could produce that prove he didn't do it.
Apparently, whatever "proof" he's issued, isnt good enough, or there wouldnt be people still questioning him about epo's some years later? So, if he needs to give out more "proof", to clear his name? then he should probably do so?

I dont think you've read the entire thread, and certainly NOT the last few posts. The questions are still there, even someone @ the top of the Cycling federation, has questioned it, and wondered why LA hasn't done more to clear his name?


Im still waiting for the person who claimed Lemond was using "transfusions", to post the info.


I still dont think Armstrong was 100% clean when he won his TDF titles, but thats just me. It will eventually come out that he wasn't "clean". My guess is, his supporters, wont be supporting him very much then?
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What is it going to take to clear the air. You have already heard direct testimony from eye witnesses. If you don't believe that you won't believe anything until big brother says what the truth is. Even what you consider to be proof can be manipulated. And there are multiple witnesses to that. So do you really think that there is absolute proof in a world that is run by greedy corrupt individuals were profits and media image are more important than anything else.

Even if there was no proof that LA doped in the culture of the pro peloton there is only about a 1 in 200 chance that Armstrong was clean.
Eye witnesses are great, when they give statements soon after the crime is committed. Can you say for certain that years after the allegations that these eye witnesses motives are not driven from something else.

A positive test would be the best evidence the prosecution could have, but without one of those its hearsay. Hamilton and Landis would be torn apart on a witness stand by a defense attorney. Just saying.
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