Floyd Strikes Again.
This time he's implicating A. Contador by association.
From Cycling News... Alleges he was sold doping products by coach who went on to work with Contador Floyd Landis has alleged that he was sold doping products by a former coach at the US Postal team, Pepe Martí, who then went on to work with Alberto Contador at Discovery Channel and Astana. Interviewed on Germany’s ARD TV channel, Landis alleged that Martí was “nothing more than a known drug-trafficker. During my time as a rider at US Postal he sold me growth hormones, EPO and other illegal substances.” Here's a link to the article. |
God am i sick of Landis.
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Does anybody really believe what comes out of his mouth?
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I don't see why this is news now. He said pretty much the same thing in the Graham Bensinger interview he did back in July.
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Aren't his fifteen minutes up yet?
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Originally Posted by hurley1718
(Post 13085385)
Does anybody really believe what comes out of his mouth?
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Originally Posted by DXchulo
(Post 13085464)
I don't see why this is news now. He said pretty much the same thing in the Graham Bensinger interview he did back in July.
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Originally Posted by Kind of Blued
(Post 13087760)
Yeah. I may be one of the few that both believes what he says, and couldn't care less what he says.
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Originally Posted by qmsdc15
(Post 13087454)
You believed him when he was denying everything, didn't you?
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yah this is nothing.!
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Originally Posted by hurley1718
(Post 13085385)
Does anybody really believe what comes out of his mouth?
Im not defending Floyd, but, I dont "get" the folks who just cant seem to understand that there's an extremely good chance that "Americas Golden Boy" Lance Armstrong was juicing/using PED's? I find it comical, that so many folks claim he has, and have provided proof, and yet, some folks still dont get it. Greg lemond himself said LA was using.......who do I believe more? Lemond/Landis/Tyler? or LA? I go w/LLT. Once it comes out, (and it eventually will), folks will have to eat some Landis Crow. Folks will soon see LA's "Roger Clemens Act" come crashing down........ Just sayin |
Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13088912)
Did anyone believe what came out of Jose Canseco's mouth, when he started ratting people out? no...guess what happened?
Im not defending Floyd, but, I dont "get" the folks who just cant seem to understand that there's an extremely good chance that "Americas Golden Boy" Lance Armstrong was juicing/using PED's? I find it comical, that so many folks claim he has, and have provided proof, and yet, some folks still dont get it. Greg lemond himself said LA was using.......who do I believe more? Lemond/Landis/Tyler? or LA? I go w/LLT. Once it comes out, (and it eventually will), folks will have to eat some Landis Crow. Folks will soon see LA's "Roger Clemens Act" come crashing down........ Just sayin Just saying ... |
Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13088912)
Did anyone believe what came out of Jose Canseco's mouth, when he started ratting people out? no...guess what happened?
Im not defending Floyd, but, I dont "get" the folks who just cant seem to understand that there's an extremely good chance that "Americas Golden Boy" Lance Armstrong was juicing/using PED's? I find it comical, that so many folks claim he has, and have provided proof, and yet, some folks still dont get it. Greg lemond himself said LA was using.......who do I believe more? Lemond/Landis/Tyler? or LA? I go w/LLT. Once it comes out, (and it eventually will), folks will have to eat some Landis Crow. Folks will soon see LA's "Roger Clemens Act" come crashing down........ Just sayin |
Originally Posted by luxroadie
(Post 13089521)
So based on that, you'd probably admit Lemond used. Same arguments as with Lance. Never failed drug test but routinely beat guys who were known users ...
Just saying ... Armstrong could end all the speculation, and rumors, by simply coming out, offering up proof, that he didn't, and it will probably go away. Does he do that though? no, rthe second something comes out about it, he hides behind a lawyer(Just Like Clemens), and swears up and down he didnt "cheat". Then put all of the speculation to rest? But, he doesnt do that...so, he's created his own problems. I'd like to be wrong, and say he didnt, but no one knows. Personally, I find it very hard to believe, that he was the only one to abstain from using them, when the drug situation was so rampant during the decade he was in the sport? Many others do too, thats why we're where we are now. I think he did it to maintain an edge, and to cheat, but thats my opinion. No right or wrong answer, until it's proven either way...otherwise. If so many are coming out saying he did, and he hasnt produced any real proof, then how can you say he's never done it? Have we seen any of the proof? no. So, yes, it's exactly like Jose Canseco, and it will come out eventually. Like I said, he can simply end it all, but admitting/not admitting he did it, and providing proof, he's only hurting himself, his image, and his legacy, by not doing anything. Hiding behind a lawyer doesnt mean you;'re not guilty. |
Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13090977)
Show me any cyclist, over the last 20 yrs, that rode when Lemond did, that swears up and down that Greg ever did any kind of drugs? Nice try, there arent any.
Armstrong could end all the speculation, and rumors, by simply coming out, offering up proof, that he didn't, and it will probably go away. Does he do that though? no, rthe second something comes out about it, he hides behind a lawyer(Just Like Clemens), and swears up and down he didnt "cheat". Then put all of the speculation to rest? But, he doesnt do that...so, he's created his own problems. I'd like to be wrong, and say he didnt, but no one knows. Personally, I find it very hard to believe, that he was the only one to abstain from using them, when the drug situation was so rampant during the decade he was in the sport? Many others do too, thats why we're where we are now. I think he did it to maintain an edge, and to cheat, but thats my opinion. No right or wrong answer, until it's proven either way...otherwise. If so many are coming out saying he did, and he hasnt produced any real proof, then how can you say he's never done it? Have we seen any of the proof? no. So, yes, it's exactly like Jose Canseco, and it will come out eventually. Like I said, he can simply end it all, but admitting/not admitting he did it, and providing proof, he's only hurting himself, his image, and his legacy, by not doing anything. Hiding behind a lawyer doesnt mean you;'re not guilty. Floyd is just pissed that he got caught, and they punished him, effectively ending his career. Now Contadopr on the other hand, was caught, and has missed nothing, and his "trial" keeps getting pushed back further and further. Maybe Landis needs to be cycling's Canseco. |
I think the reality is that cycling, for a long time, has had a doping problem. The problem is with the sport, not the athletes. It seems that it was/is so systemic that the UCI and other pro-cycling groups just have to move forward, not look back, and enforce strict testing sanctions and work to develop better tests. Digging through the refuse of champions past is just going to make the whole sport look worse.
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How do you prove you didn't do something********** Why doesn't LeMond prove he didn't? Floyd is just pissed that he got caught, and they punished him, effectively ending his career. Now Contadopr on the other hand, was caught, and has missed nothing, and his "trial" keeps getting pushed back further and further. Maybe Landis needs to be cycling's Canseco. Like I asked before: show me any cyclist, who rode when Lemond did, that said Greg took any EPO's? Good luck with your search. |
Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13095464)
How do you know lemond did anything? No one's ever questioned him doing any drugs, unless Ive missed something?
That was my point...he was trying to be, and people didnt believe him. Years later, there's still question marks about Lance. Like I asked before: show me any cyclist, who rode when Lemond did, that said Greg took any EPO's? Good luck with your search. Hold Lemond to the same standard you want to hold Lance to. Make them both prove the unproveable! |
How is it possible for anyone to prove they didn't do something??? Hold Lemond to the same standard you want to hold Lance to. Make them both prove the unproveable! Like i said, all he has to do, is come out and prove to all of us, that he's clean, has he done that? no. It's always through a lawyer, or he claims to have done this. Lemond, if found out he did drugs, I would think alot less of him, but that hasnt been proven has it? Lance is like Barry Bonds.......in denial. The proof is there, just the fact that people seem to turn a blind eye to it. If you think he's clean? good for you, I hope he is. But, IMO, I dont think he's clean, I think he's a cheater, especially, when some of his own teammates have come out and said that he did/was believed to have done so. people talk about "jealousy" and "so and so only said that because they're jealous/not as good", how about they said it because it could be truthful? whether or not the media, or some fans choose to believe/not believe he's clean, is all on Lance. HE can come out, and shut everyone up, and things will die down. BUT, he chooses not to, so stuff like this continues? |
Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13095464)
How do you know lemond did anything? No one's ever questioned him doing any drugs, unless Ive missed something?
EPO was not availablr]e That was my point...he was trying to be, and people didnt believe him. Years later, there's still question marks about Lance. Like I asked before: show me any cyclist, who rode when Lemond did, that said Greg took any EPO's? Good luck with your search. |
Originally Posted by qmsdc15
(Post 13095714)
EPO was not available when Greg was riding. He used transfusions.
if you wouldnt mind, can you post where it says he used transfusions? if you're willing to suggest that Lemond did drugs(ermm...excuse me "transfusions"), then, wouldnt it be completely reasonable, and logical, to suggest that Merckx/Hinault could've done something as well? How do you know they didn't? |
Originally Posted by qmsdc15
(Post 13095714)
EPO was not available when Greg was riding. He used transfusions.
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Originally Posted by ahsposo
(Post 13096198)
what, from andean llama herders?
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Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13095943)
if you're willing to suggest that Lemond did drugs(ermm...excuse me "transfusions"), then, wouldnt it be completely reasonable, and logical, to suggest that Merckx/Hinault could've done something as well? How do you know they didn't?
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Originally Posted by qmsdc15
(Post 13095714)
EPO was not available when Greg was riding. He used transfusions.
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