Lance Armstrong Autobiography movie???
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The ones that did, made the ones that didnt "guilty by association", as then everyone thought that every single rider was dirty.
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Kinda the same sentiment here. He knows what the reprocussions will be, so he's screwed either way. Had he just come out from the beginning and said "yes, I did it, and here's why", dont think many wouldve had too many issues with it. But now, it's as if it's gotten way out of control, and there is no saving face here.
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A five second Google search, yielded this:
https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ong/index.html
Also, Commodus gave an excellent link too:
Well I'd be the last to hold up Bicycling as a source of credible journalism...usually. But this article: https://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cy...trongs-endgame
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I could write a book here, but I'll just stick to a few points.
Boring:
https://stevethebikeguy.com/wp-conten...eL2-small1.jpg
Any bike brand that does this kind of work is not boring. Well done Trek for green-lighting this project usually done by small boutique brands.
Brand:
LeMond was at one time the 5th largest bike brand in the US.
Trek dropped the rights to LeMond accessories, so Greg made a deal with a firm (PTI) to continue non-bike merchandise which pissed Trek off. PTI screwed it up with deals like Target which Greg disliked.
Reputation:
Greg was telling it like he saw it. It's speculation that he was doing it out of spite for having Armstrong beat his TdF record (through outside means), but I can't argue it certainly looked that way. Plus I think we'd all be a bit irritated by it. Nevertheless, when even Bicycling magazine and Bill Strickland come out and stitch together a mountain of evidence, which LeMond kept randomly discharging, suddenly he shouldn't look so crazy. While I'd rather have the past stay in the past at this point, the Grand Jury and case against Armstrong might be on its way to give LeMond a huge "told you so" moment - but that too is speculation.
However, because Greg was in the Trek family he unfortunately needed to bite his tongue I think. It would have have been tough but the appropriate thing to do given the business relationship. For instance, radio talk show hosts never bad mouth a colleague even if they are on opposite ends of opinion.
Person:
If you ever get to meet Greg or hear him talk, blank your mind of any misconceptions and then judge. He is just a nice guy and awesome cycling figure.
Boring:
https://stevethebikeguy.com/wp-conten...eL2-small1.jpg
Any bike brand that does this kind of work is not boring. Well done Trek for green-lighting this project usually done by small boutique brands.
Brand:
LeMond was at one time the 5th largest bike brand in the US.
Trek dropped the rights to LeMond accessories, so Greg made a deal with a firm (PTI) to continue non-bike merchandise which pissed Trek off. PTI screwed it up with deals like Target which Greg disliked.
Reputation:
Greg was telling it like he saw it. It's speculation that he was doing it out of spite for having Armstrong beat his TdF record (through outside means), but I can't argue it certainly looked that way. Plus I think we'd all be a bit irritated by it. Nevertheless, when even Bicycling magazine and Bill Strickland come out and stitch together a mountain of evidence, which LeMond kept randomly discharging, suddenly he shouldn't look so crazy. While I'd rather have the past stay in the past at this point, the Grand Jury and case against Armstrong might be on its way to give LeMond a huge "told you so" moment - but that too is speculation.
However, because Greg was in the Trek family he unfortunately needed to bite his tongue I think. It would have have been tough but the appropriate thing to do given the business relationship. For instance, radio talk show hosts never bad mouth a colleague even if they are on opposite ends of opinion.
Person:
If you ever get to meet Greg or hear him talk, blank your mind of any misconceptions and then judge. He is just a nice guy and awesome cycling figure.
Lemme find the other one for you all(here's what i was talking about):
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My 2007 Buenos Aires is carbon fiber and when I test rode a 5.2 Madone recently I liked my Lemond better. By the way did you see the recent Gary Fischer interview recently in which he as much as said Greg was telling the truth even if not very diplomatically
My 2007 Buenos Aires is carbon fiber and when I test rode a 5.2 Madone recently I liked my Lemond better. By the way did you see the recent Gary Fischer interview recently in which he as much as said Greg was telling the truth even if not very diplomatically
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A five second Google search, yielded this:
https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ong/index.html
Also, Commodus gave an excellent link too:
And....there was just another thread about Lance, and one person chimed in that Gary Fischer, all but admitted, that Lemond was telling the truth about Armstrong's doping. It was in an article/interview for "Bicycling" magazine. The person said that there's still a grand jury investigation about to wrap up, and Lance might be headed for a bad time(Ill look for the thread-Found it...here's just a small part of it.)
Lemme find the other one for you all(here's what i was talking about):
https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ong/index.html
Also, Commodus gave an excellent link too:
And....there was just another thread about Lance, and one person chimed in that Gary Fischer, all but admitted, that Lemond was telling the truth about Armstrong's doping. It was in an article/interview for "Bicycling" magazine. The person said that there's still a grand jury investigation about to wrap up, and Lance might be headed for a bad time(Ill look for the thread-Found it...here's just a small part of it.)
Lemme find the other one for you all(here's what i was talking about):
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I don't like Lance, and I never really have. Of course people are gonna say he's doped and others will say he hasn't, he's a famous athlete, odds are he did, but I don't know that for a fact and neither do any of you. That out of the way, I'll say this he's done a lot for our passion/hobby/sport/business, whatever the hell it is to you and there's no denying it... sadly.
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I don't like Lance, and I never really have. Of course people are gonna say he's doped and others will say he hasn't, he's a famous athlete, odds are he did, but I don't know that for a fact and neither do any of you. That out of the way, I'll say this he's done a lot for our passion/hobby/sport/business, whatever the hell it is to you and there's no denying it... sadly.
I too agree, that I wish he would man up if that were the case and just explain. However, until that happens it is speculation and every other rider that placed 10th or better in the past 5 years should probably be under the same scrutiny. But they aren't. People only care about Lance because he's marketable for them and their news channel. Guess what happens if Andy/Frank Schleck get found guilty or accused of the same thing. People go in an uproar and about 2 weeks later, nobody cares again the world has selected a new favorite rider to take their place. With Lance, it's years of debate.
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There was a time when I would have been interested in a LA movie, now I'm just waiting for the "other shoe to drop" in the investigation.
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Why does everyone keep saying Lance has never failed a drug test? his 1999 and 2000 tour samples came back positive for EPO.
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If you're going to make an statement like that, don't pluck out the bits of truth you favor and present them out of context to support your argument. Especially when you're accusing someone of cheating or a crime.
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If I recall those positives came years after the samples were taken, and proper procedure and protocols were not followed in handling the samples. There also were no b samples to test. Anything could have been done to those samples after they were taken. I like how people like to leave out details like that.
If you're going to make an statement like that, don't pluck out the bits of truth you favor and present them out of context to support your argument. Especially when you're accusing someone of cheating or a crime.
If you're going to make an statement like that, don't pluck out the bits of truth you favor and present them out of context to support your argument. Especially when you're accusing someone of cheating or a crime.
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I'd go see a lance movie. I just hope if one is made, it's made well, attempts to be honest and isn't released until after he is deceased.
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+100 Very well said Raven. Aside from that, I don't see where people haid he NEVER failed a drug test. He just never failed for anything important. There are plenty of minor incidents of failing for minor pain killers after a crash and stuff like that. But the only suggestions at a failed Doping test were the ones just mentioned, which carry or hold NO WATER at this point due to Very Sloppy procedures.
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Possibly the dumbest statement ever seen on BF is that only a handful of top riders were doping. The only people who believe that are the ones with an agenda or ones who are new to cycling.
I would also like to ask Lemondfanforeve to post the quotes that show Armstrong was embezzling money from Livestrong, instead of quotes about other things. Since he claimed it happened.
I would also like to ask Lemondfanforeve to post the quotes that show Armstrong was embezzling money from Livestrong, instead of quotes about other things. Since he claimed it happened.
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