Cas Now Bans Ullrich For 2 Years
Unreal! Posted on Yahoosports.com. He's done until 2013 & they also take away his Tour De Suisse title. Maybe Armstrong is not too far away?
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Armstrong is very far away. If CAS took this long to find Ullrich guilty, than I figure by 2030, they might finally be able to convict Armstrong of something. What a bunch of bumbling beaurocratic boobs these guys are.
LemondFan, I just hope your alive to see it, since it's all you live for.... |
Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
(Post 13829650)
LemondFan, I just hope your alive to see it, since it's all you live for....
:lol: seriously..... |
Originally Posted by Farby
(Post 13829656)
:lol: seriously.....
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Can you imagine waiting until 2019 to get the final results of last weekend's Super Bowl? Welcome to the wonderful world of professional bicycle racing. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
(Post 13829650)
Armstrong is very far away. If CAS took this long to find Ullrich guilty, than I figure by 2030, they might finally be able to convict Armstrong of something. What a bunch of bumbling beaurocratic boobs these guys are.
LemondFan, I just hope your alive to see it, since it's all you live for.... |
Well, CAS/WADA really are beginning to ruin the sport they oversee.
They simply cannot do multiyear investigations that drag on and on forever and then pull titles away from riders who are long retired and that they earned 7 years ago. The fans are growing tired of it. As HigherGround said above, "Can you imagine waiting until 2019 to get the final results of last weekend's Super Bowl?". The answer is of course not! The cry would be long and loud should that ever happen. I'm certainly not pro drug, but the system as it is now is ridiculous. Somehow, they have to streamline the process. They have to put a statute of limitations on it, a time limit of some sort. I'm not sure what the people who work at WADA and CAS did before this, but they have managed to create a full time, lucrative living through these bodies, just like Congress! And just like Congress, they get nothing done in a timely fashion. They are ruining lives through there ineptitude. |
Originally Posted by HigherGround
(Post 13829710)
Can you imagine waiting until 2019 to get the final results of last weekend's Super Bowl? Welcome to the wonderful world of professional bicycle racing. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
(Post 13830109)
Well, CAS/WADA really are beginning to ruin the sport they oversee.
They simply cannot do multiyear investigations that drag on and on forever and then pull titles away from riders who are long retired and that they earned 7 years ago. The fans are growing tired of it. As HigherGround said above, "Can you imagine waiting until 2019 to get the final results of last weekend's Super Bowl?". The answer is of course not! The cry would be long and loud should that ever happen. I'm certainly not pro drug, but the system as it is now is ridiculous. Somehow, they have to streamline the process. They have to put a statute of limitations on it, a time limit of some sort. I'm not sure what the people who work at WADA and CAS did before this, but they have managed to create a full time, lucrative living through these bodies, just like Congress! And just like Congress, they get nothing done in a timely fashion. They are ruining lives through there ineptitude. This is completely ludicrous. They may as well go back and pull Fausto Coppi's results, since they have an admission there. |
Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
(Post 13830109)
Well, CAS/WADA really are beginning to ruin the sport they oversee.
They simply cannot do multiyear investigations that drag on and on forever and then pull titles away from riders who are long retired and that they earned 7 years ago. The fans are growing tired of it. As HigherGround said above, "Can you imagine waiting until 2019 to get the final results of last weekend's Super Bowl?". The answer is of course not! The cry would be long and loud should that ever happen. I'm certainly not pro drug, but the system as it is now is ridiculous. Somehow, they have to streamline the process. They have to put a statute of limitations on it, a time limit of some sort. I'm not sure what the people who work at WADA and CAS did before this, but they have managed to create a full time, lucrative living through these bodies, just like Congress! And just like Congress, they get nothing done in a timely fashion. They are ruining lives through there ineptitude. Doping wasnt banned when guys like: Merckx/ Anquetil & the like were around. Now it is. People keep saying they want the sport to be clean, then complain when agencies try doing that. You cant have it both ways imo. Cant excuse some for doing it, then trash others for doing it, then get upset, when folks are trying to bust cheaters. |
Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13829904)
Not at all, Im just thinking that now that theyve banned: Contador & Ullrich, the"feather in their cap" so to speak, could be an even bigger name like: Armstrong /Hamilton / etc cant be too far off? They feel they can keep going for years & years I guess. I was simply commenting that I think CAS/WADA must have their own agendas?
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Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13830263)
Good points. It doesnt seem too far out now, to say that these guys couldve helped the currenr climate, by simply saying "Yes I did it, and heres why". Probably wouldve made alot of this mess easier? But, when all you do is: deny deny deny, what do you expect these agencies to do? Maybe a sol is a great idea. I mean lets not excuse any of these guys for their involvement in where it is today? They too should get some of the blame. Unfortunately, thats not happening. Doesnt matter why they did it, theyre still cheaters. They used something to gain an unfair advantage over their peers, regardless of whether "at the time evwryone was doing it too", thats an excuse & doesnt make it right. Its still cheaating. How can you or I or folks here, respect someone whos cheated to gain success? I cant.
Doping wasnt banned when guys like: Merckx/ Anquetil & the like were around. Now it is. People keep saying they want the sport to be clean, then complain when agencies try doing that. You cant have it both ways imo. Cant excuse some for doing it, then trash others for doing it, then get upset, when folks are trying to bust cheaters. |
Originally Posted by Keith99
(Post 13830441)
Really, so just what did happen in hte 1969 Giro then? And does this mean that Anquetil now broke the Hour record twice?
PS, before anyone says it, yes, even if its Lemond(which Im still waiting for any credible proof he did, but we all know that doesnt exist). |
Originally Posted by Shimagnolo
(Post 13830260)
They may as well go back and pull Fausto Coppi's results, since they have an admission there.
Giacomo, these agencies could very well go back if they wanted to & strip titles from guys, no matter who/ when it was. Thats trying to have it both ways. You punish a few guys for it whove denied it(& gotten caught) & yet guys whove admitted to it, you allow them to walk, or keep their legacies intact, so you can pick & choose who you want/ dont want punished? Talk about hypocrisy. My opinion is, you start stripping guys from the past of their accomplishments, regardless of who it is? Watch how "suddenly" the sport becomes Alot cleaner. Or, you test EVERY SINGLE RIDER, before every stage & they cant ride til their test results are back. I bet half the field would be banned? |
Originally Posted by LemondFanForeve
(Post 13830895)
Not sure, have any proof that doping was banned back then? Feel free to post any. If he cheated, & its known that he cheated, then he's broken no record(s), nor has 5 tdf titles in my opinion. Thats been my stance since the beginning. People here claim Merckx has said he doped? Then hes a cheater. Doesnt matter when, or who it was, if you doped & won & its found out later that you have? Then you're not only a cheater, but should have EVERY title stripped from you, why? If youve cheated even once, how do we know you didnt for all?
PS, before anyone says it, yes, even if its Lemond(which Im still waiting for any credible proof he did, but we all know that doesnt exist). EDIT: Here is a link to a rather incomplete lsit regarding doping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ses_in_cycling |
And here is the link specifically for Anquetil and the Hour record. It is highly doubtful that he did in fact dope as it was well known that any serious attempt at the Hour record was an hour in hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Anquetil In 1967, 11 years later, Anquetil again broke the hour record, with 47.493 km, but the record was disallowed because he refused to take the newly-introduced post-race doping test.[8] He objected to what he saw as the indignity of having to urinate in a tent in front of a crowded velodrome and said he would take the test later at his hotel. The international judge ruled against the idea and a scuffle ensued that involved Anquetil's manager, Raphaël Géminiani. Cycling reported:[9] |
hopefully there is a statute of limitations on this sort of nonsense. Before sometime in the '70s, the were taking stimulants which basically did very little for you. That's what merckx was caught using
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Originally Posted by Keith99
(Post 13831342)
God, you are ignorant. Merckx was disqualified while leading 1969 Giro because of a positive doping test in the Giro. Anquetil brok the hour record for a second time several years after the first time he broke it, but was so upset about the piss poor treatment he recieved while having to piss into a bottle with no concern for modesty or dignity that he stormed off.
EDIT: Here is a link to a rather incomplete lsit regarding doping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ses_in_cycling As for Merckx, then he should get EVERY title stripped from him, why? if he did it in one race, then how do we know he didnt in every race? Also, then many folks(not just myself) are wrong about there being no banning of drugs during that time? I've seen several people claim it wasnt illegal @ the time, or they werent testing back then. Besides, quoting Wikipedia isnt very credible to yourt arguement |
Originally Posted by unterhausen
(Post 13831464)
hopefully there is a statute of limitations on this sort of nonsense. Before sometime in the '70s, the were taking stimulants which basically did very little for you. That's what merckx was caught using
Fignon is the most recent confessional I'm aware of - he talks about his experience with them in his autobiography. |
Only in Lemondfanforeve's mind is the cycling "feather in the cap" not the top GC rider currently in cycling, but a guy who is retired and hasn't won anything of significance in almost six years.
Anyone else shaking their head about the complete lack of knowledge of the history of cycling from a guy who is always touting a rider from the 80's? |
Originally Posted by 18hockey
(Post 13832671)
Only in Lemondfanforeve's mind is the cycling "feather in the cap" not the top GC rider currently in cycling, but a guy who is retired and hasn't won anything of significance in almost six years.
Anyone else shaking their head about the complete lack of knowledge of the history of cycling from a guy who is always touting a rider from the 80's? |
I would agree that investigations need to go on until test results start coming back clean ALWAYS. Just one rider getting caught is enough to whip up the bloodhounds (forgive the pun) into a frenzy.
As for continuing to look for ways to prosecute Armstrong, they likely have some information on him but obviously not enough to prosecute. The guy won 7 titles; if he did cheat, that would be an enormous coup de grace for the CAS or other. You also have these guys off Wallstreet stealing from the shareholders and walking away with 500+ million dollar fortunes (amounts we KNOW about), and no one prosecutes them. I don't know; part of me likes to see justice where it can be found. Apparently he (LA) did fail a test in 1999 or something like that, so that raised suspicion. Time will tell. If the riders simply didn't dope, these organizations would disappear into nothingness and we could watch fair races again. |
...but anyway, thinking about Ullrich, regardless of the ruling he was always one to make a great race. I didn't see the Tour he won, but 2003 is my all-time favorite - the closest thing to a bare-knuckles lay-it-all-on the-line Tour to the bitter end. It wasn't Armstrong that made it so riveting, but the challenge from Ullrich and the others that pushed him to one of his best performances. Most of his other tour wins were snooze-fests.
I think about that rivalry when I ride myself - what was Armstrong without Ullrich or his rivals? Not especially great or interesting. Who wants to see a guy win without really trying hard? So the guy in second place can make the race as much as the guy who wins, and I enjoy cycling and racing more that way - if you can't win, you can at least make sure the guys in front of you are busting their asses and digging deep to stay up there. |
enjoy your new career jan and don't look back at the bloodhounds. it was always more exciting when you were lining up at the start. peace and best wishes.
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Please play the above video while you read my comment below. It just comes out better. I have a feeling that if The Cirque du Soleil are paying attention to news in the cycling world, there will be a major talent recruiting effort targetted at the CAS given the number of clowns that work there. This should not have taken 5 years to resolve. |
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