Why not TT a course like stage 11?
That would be fun to watch!!
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It looks like I am alone on this one. It would be fun to watch each rider do these climbs on their own. No looking at each other, no team helpers - just a race against the clock, through the mountains...
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No, too boring. Might as well watch baseball.
You get a better dynamic for drame when there's a rider you want to beat or have to catch. It's also scientifically proven that head to head competition brings out the absolute best in riders. |
Actually, in the past many ITT's included significant climbs; e.g. 1987, stage 18 was an ITT up Mt Ventoux. The Giro did an ITT through Cinque Terre a few years ago. 2001 was the most recent year the TdF did a real uphill ITT.
They also did more ITT's then. E.g. the average (including prologues) in the 80s was 3.6, in the 90s was 3, in the 00's 2.3. |
Long, hilly TT's are a relic of early 20th century stage racing.
The time gaps would be to be big to keep the excitement intact these days. Although, personally I'd like to see longer TT's occasionally too. |
Originally Posted by YMCA
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Long, hilly TT's are a relic of early 20th century stage racing.
The time gaps would be to be big to keep the excitement intact these days. Although, personally I'd like to see longer TT's occasionally too. |
Pretty sure la clinched one of his tour victories with a n itt victory on alp du juez
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Originally Posted by curiouskid55
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Pretty sure la clinched one of his tour victories with a n itt victory on alp du juez
There's a lot more to cycle racing than one Yank.... |
Not an Armstrong fan myself. My point is to the original post that there have been mountain itt in the past and there will be mountain itt in the future
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Originally Posted by curiouskid55
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Not an Armstrong fan myself. My point is to the original post that there have been mountain itt in the past and there will be mountain itt in the future
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Originally Posted by letitsnow
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Ok, thanks. I was assuming that the TT's were mainly held on flat ground. I will look forward to the next mountain ITT.
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still want downhill tt's! am i the only one?! absolutely love to watch descending techniques...
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Originally Posted by letitsnow
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Ok, thanks. I was assuming that the TT's were mainly held on flat ground. I will look forward to the next mountain ITT.
I'd like to see an ITT that includes both climbing and significant decending. But there are significant problems. The differences in ability get magnified and worst case one rider catches and passes the one before him just before the top and the one passed is a better decender. Not to mention issues with a crashed rider on course on a decent (and the impact it wouldhave on following riders). |
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
(Post 14482784)
Your assumption is correct. Again, they haven't done a hilly TT in over 10 years. You also won't see split stages (2 stages on the same day), which ended around the same time.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/...esults/stage16 |
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
(Post 14480841)
2001 was the most recent year the TdF did a real uphill ITT.
Thanks |
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
(Post 14482784)
Your assumption is correct. Again, they haven't done a hilly TT in over 10 years. You also won't see split stages (2 stages on the same day), which ended around the same time.
EDIT: Loks like the last split stage TDF was 1982, a bit more recent than I thought it was. But jsut a bit. I knew there had split stages in 1974. |
What about a team time trial, has that ever been done in a tour? I guess it would have to be done early in the race before attrition whittled the teams down.
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Originally Posted by rex615
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What about a team time trial, has that ever been done in a tour? I guess it would have to be done early in the race before attrition whittled the teams down.
Riders dislike them but many fans enjoy them. |
Originally Posted by Laggard
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Many times. Hate them.
Riders dislike them but many fans enjoy them. Sorry about the noob questions, but this is very interesting. |
Originally Posted by daveF
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8 years ago. 2004 TDF stage 16 Alpe d'Huez ITT 15.5km
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/...esults/stage16 |
Originally Posted by rex615
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How do Team Time Trials affect each individual's time in the GC? Does everyone in the team just get added the teams time?
Sorry about the noob questions, but this is very interesting. |
Originally Posted by nun
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If you have a 9 man team you might give the first 5 guys over the line the time of the 5th guy. Then cyclists that come in after that get their own time. Some TTs also have time penalties for being slower by certain amounts than the winning team.
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Originally Posted by rex615
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What about a team time trial, has that ever been done in a tour? I guess it would have to be done early in the race before attrition whittled the teams down.
As you point out it has to be early and if the total time is used the result is contenders are all but eliminated before they even have a chance to do anything as an individual. Which is why the tour organizers, most riders and many fans are not thrilled with TTTs. Today there is a problem with super profesionalism. That is in the sense of being focused on just one goal. The TTT has to count for the GC or many teams will not try much, but if theams can get a large payoff it can ruin hte race. 30 years ago winning the TTT itself was enough to get a good if not total effort. |
The uphill TT in the 2010 Giro was awesome.
Also, the obvious joke here is that Team Sky has been doing a team time trial this whole tour, including uphill TTTs on the mountain stages. |
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