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Old 10-18-12, 03:55 PM
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First Lance, now Popeye is suspected of doping??
There was never any suspicion. Everyone knew he was free-basing pure canned spinach on a regular basis. It was tolerated since we all knew he was dating Olive Oyl.
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Chris Dickerson


why does he have The Enso on his elbow?
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Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
Chris Dickerson



I don't know who this guy is, but he probably has gout; the prominence on his elbow (and also on the metatarsophalangial joint in the foot) are likely tophi (deposits of uric acid crystals), not "enlarged bones".

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Old 10-18-12, 05:41 PM
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Former Mr. Olympia Chris Dickerson.

Inneresting. The whole HGH elbow thing has been around for like 30 years.
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6 View Post
There was never any suspicion. Everyone knew he was free-basing pure canned spinach on a regular basis. It was tolerated since we all knew he was dating Olive Oyl.
Unfortunately, Ms. Oyl's anorexic appearance set unrealistic standards for women the world over. We're just beginning to recogne the damage that was done.
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Here's my happy ending: Medical experts discover that Blood-doping is responsible for Lances' miraculous comeback from cancer. The disease is wiped out as people adopt this method of preventative therapy. Lance is pardoned. A special lifetime award is presented to him at the base of the Eiffel Tower with all the world in attendance.
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Old 10-19-12, 06:00 AM
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41 posts in 9 years, and that one was a dandy.
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Originally Posted by bikepro View Post
First Lance, now Popeye is suspected of doping??
I think what we are going to learn from Lance's debacle is that all of the greatest athletes from the beginning of time where the biggest dopers. In fact, there is underlying evidence starting to emerge that all the top athletes were the slowest and weakest kids in their high schools who were picked on and they turned the tables by juicing. Only a theory at this time however.
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Old 10-19-12, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by goadma View Post
Here's my happy ending: Medical experts discover that Blood-doping is responsible for Lances' miraculous comeback from cancer.
This reminds me a bit of the episode of "House, M.D." where a pro cyclist is suddenly stricken by illness just after the season ends. In the end they figure that his doping was in fact keeping the undiagnosed illness in check.
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Old 10-19-12, 10:40 AM
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Thanks for that - brilliant!
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Hard to believe Hamilton or Landis when they so vehemently denied that they doped - and then finally admitted to it. Hard to believe many people these days - especially when the rewards are so big (the ends justify the means??)
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Originally Posted by Ridefreemc View Post
Hard to believe Hamilton or Landis when they so vehemently denied that they doped - and then finally admitted to it. Hard to believe many people these days - especially when the rewards are so big (the ends justify the means??)
We've been over this, ad infinitum.

Sure Hamilton and Landis have credibilty issues, but looking at the totality of the evidence, it's pretty obvious to the vast majority of rational people, that at least the core of what Hamiltion and Landis are claiming is true.

1) When they denied drug use it was in their self interest. Speaking up to admit their own drug use was against their self interest, and thus, all else equal more credible.

2) there are 24 other witnesses.

3) there are cash trails.

4) there are positive drug tests.

5) there is the biological pass port evidence.

6) there's the fact that everyone else (with the exception of one guy, who's at least under suspicion) on the podium in those 7 years, has been shown to have doped or admitted doping, etc, etc, etc,


Step outfrom in front of the mountain of evidence before it crushes you.
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Old 10-19-12, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
We've been over this, ad infinitum.

Sure Hamilton and Landis have credibilty issues, but looking at the totality of the evidence, it's pretty obvious to the vast majority of rational people, that at least the core of what Hamiltion and Landis are claiming is true.

1) When they denied drug use it was in their self interest. Speaking up to admit their own drug use was against their self interest, and thus, all else equal more credible.

2) there are 24 other witnesses.

3) there are cash trails.

4) there are positive drug tests.

5) there is the biological pass port evidence.

6) there's the fact that everyone else (with the exception of one guy, who's at least under suspicion) on the podium in those 7 years, has been shown to have doped or admitted doping, etc, etc, etc,


Step outfrom in front of the mountain of evidence before it crushes you.
Sorry, I should have added more to my post (could have been more clear) and I agree with your points. I was only lamenting the fact that we have a bunch of liars on our hands (LA, Landis, Hamilton). So many it is hard to keep up with (if you choose to do so). It doesn't mean that I think LA was/is clean (I think Landis and Hamilton are now telling the truth - for once) - on the contrary, I am dissapointed in him and believe he is guilty. As to whether or not he is the biggest ***, I don't know enough about him to comment - or who to compare him with to see who might take that "honor."
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Old 10-19-12, 01:58 PM
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41 posts in 9 years, and that one was a dandy.
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Apparently, Kristin Armstrong (LA's ex-wife) is implying -without explicitly saying so- in a Runner's World article that she witnessed some unseemly stuff.

Stay tuned.
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Apparently, Kristin Armstrong (LA's ex-wife) is implying -without explicitly saying so- in a Runner's World article that she witnessed some unseemly stuff.

Stay tuned.


Butter?..........................parkay.
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Old 10-19-12, 06:35 PM
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it is also not totally out of the realm of sanity that the pereson that created this opportunity would take extreme measures to protect himself.
Well, there goes his insanity defense.

He did not create an opportunity. He crafted an Orwellian universe where he was Big Brother and Postal/Discovery was Oceana.
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All that doping and bribery too. https://deadspin.com/5953312/hey-here...-him-win-races

I think LA has locked in the biggest ass in sports history title. Win at any cost, indeed.
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
All that doping and bribery too. https://deadspin.com/5953312/hey-here...-him-win-races

I think LA has locked in the biggest ass in sports history title. Win at any cost, indeed.
Not something new. Joe Parkin talked about cyclists buying off their competitors in "A Dog in a Hat".
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What did Chris Carmichael know about Lance?
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What did Chris Carmichael know about Lance?
Carmichael was named in and settled out of court in a lawsuit concerning shooting up juniors on the national team. He was also an alternate on the 84 Olympic team that blood doped. Extrapolate.
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Old 10-20-12, 08:17 PM
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I have a little different perspective on this. I started riding to recover from colon cancer. Riding probably saved my life when my cancer spread into my liver. Someone gave me "It's not about the Bike" when I was first diagnosed, and it scared the hell out of me. But I found Lance extremely inspirational, given my situation. LiveStrong does great things for cancer patients. Lance is clearly a major league a-hole, but the things he has done for those of us with cancer, and those of us who have been inspired by him to beat it, mitigates at least some of it. I've read Tyler's book, and I fully believe Lance doped, lied, and screwed many people to get where he is. But he, to an extent, helped save my life. I've taken off my LiveStrong bracelet, but I know what Lance did for me.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Well, there goes his insanity defense.

He did not create an opportunity. He crafted an Orwellian universe where he was Big Brother and Postal/Discovery was Oceana.
If you suck as a team leader and don't win, you don't attract the best riders to help you continue to win. Or you become the Washington Redskins, for many years dumping bags of money on over the hill free agents and at the end of the day you have a huge payroll and you still are a loser.

Trust me on this...everyone knew what was going on, eyes wide open, when they arrived (because it was going on with whatever team they were on previously). But the paycheck trumped the risk. To think otherwise is a total joke.

Ironic how guys like Heras tried to go it alone as a leader, got out from under the program they were on and got busted.

Regardless of the methods, Armstrong was able to get the best guys because they knew they had hitched their wagon to a winner. Remember Tour #5?
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
All that doping and bribery too. https://deadspin.com/5953312/hey-here...-him-win-races

I think LA has locked in the biggest ass in sports history title. Win at any cost, indeed.
Welcome to bike racing where there is money involved.

BTW...he didn't ride that many races and no one is going to be bribed to give up the TdF.
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
Not something new. Joe Parkin talked about cyclists buying off their competitors in "A Dog in a Hat".
It's the best book about what pro bike racing is really like. I laughed when I read it because it was "yeah, I remember that..." Like watching guys shoot up in the race. You want to see bike handling skills watch someone stick a hypodermic needle into their leg while racing a bike.
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