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Old 10-20-12, 04:46 PM
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The Tour de France should cancel next year's tour.

Hear me out. First of all, what can possibly be put in place to ensure a clean tour? Nothing at the moment. Second, who can watch the tour with full certainty that all the athletes Re clean? No one. The tour has got to take some time to rebuild itself to put in place whatever is necessary to make this an honest race. With enough money and resources, any of the top athletes can still get away with doping and microinjections of EPO. I don't think it is really possible to catch athletes with blood tests. They've clearly figured how to beat that system. If the tour wants to put on a clean race, it has to put new and better checks in place. I'm thinking sophisticated surveillance is a possibility. If the tour can't provide assurance to its fans that the race is clean, it should not happen. And there is, by the way, a real possibility, that there can't be a 100% clean tour. Bet we'd have to back a dozen years to find one. There. I feel better.
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Old 10-20-12, 05:37 PM
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cancel the season.
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The doping police just need to round up the usual suspects and give em a good water boarding. Not because they have done anything, but as a preemptive measure just in case they ever considered doing anything in the future. Of course doctors might still write prescriptions, so they all need to be rounded up and detained from say the beginning of May through the end of July. This may be a public health danger, but priorities are priorities. Riders might still up their oxygen uptake by distilling 1500 cans of beet juice into 10 cc's of all-natural super EPO that could be injected between the toes with surplus syringes leftover from US Postal, so they all need to be rounded up and chained to the wall of 2 x 4 ft jail cells, except while participating in guard supervised training, from January through the morning of the prologue. Problem solved.
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Mate, you're delussional. The Tour hasn't ever been clean that I'm aware of. Doping of one form or another go back to some of it's earliest days. And, it's always been about making money. It was created as a commercial venture and advertising avenue.
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Old 10-20-12, 06:47 PM
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So which year does the OP think there was a 100% clean TdF? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ses_in_cycling
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
So which year does the OP think there was a 100% clean TdF? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ses_in_cycling
That was some great reading. Guess the only option then is to make sure everyone in the world takes EPO once a day and we level the playing field. Good luck with that and thanks for proving my point that it might be impossible to ensure a clean tour, a clean NBA, MLB, NFL, etc...
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Old 10-20-12, 07:50 PM
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I want to see a tour like the one suggested in the book "Just Ride" where they have to fix everything themselves, carry everything and can only exchange things when they break.
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Originally Posted by Astrozombie View Post
I want to see a tour like the one suggested in the book "Just Ride" where they have to fix everything themselves, carry everything and can only exchange things when they break.
Sounds a lot like Randonneuring...
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Originally Posted by FunkyStickman View Post
Sounds a lot like Randonneuring...
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Hear me out. First of all, what can possibly be put in place to ensure a clean tour? Nothing at the moment. Second, who can watch the tour with full certainty that all the athletes Re clean? No one.
If you use that logic, all sporting events should be cancelled. As should all financial transactions. And marriages.
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The "Tour" should be a real tour - the riders carry all their gear on racks in panniers, use just one bike for the entire distance, do their own repair and maintenance ...
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Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
Mate, you're delussional. The Tour hasn't ever been clean that I'm aware of. Doping of one form or another go back to some of it's earliest days. And, it's always been about making money. It was created as a commercial venture and advertising avenue.
Yup
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Old 10-21-12, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by paperbackbiker View Post
Hear me out. First of all, what can possibly be put in place to ensure a clean tour? Nothing at the moment. Second, who can watch the tour with full certainty that all the athletes Re clean? No one. The tour has got to take some time to rebuild itself to put in place whatever is necessary to make this an honest race. With enough money and resources, any of the top athletes can still get away with doping and microinjections of EPO. I don't think it is really possible to catch athletes with blood tests. They've clearly figured how to beat that system. If the tour wants to put on a clean race, it has to put new and better checks in place. I'm thinking sophisticated surveillance is a possibility. If the tour can't provide assurance to its fans that the race is clean, it should not happen. And there is, by the way, a real possibility, that there can't be a 100% clean tour. Bet we'd have to back a dozen years to find one. There. I feel better.
There has never been a "clean" Tour. There. I feel better. To think there ever was is comical.
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Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
Mate, you're delussional. The Tour hasn't ever been clean that I'm aware of. Doping of one form or another go back to some of it's earliest days. And, it's always been about making money. It was created as a commercial venture and advertising avenue.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by bicyclridr4life View Post
The "Tour" should be a real tour - the riders carry all their gear on racks in panniers, use just one bike for the entire distance, do their own repair and maintenance ...
They used to do it that way. In fact, many years ago a rider was disqualified because he broke a fork and enlisted the assistance of a blacksmith to repair it.

I suggest a number of you get up to speed on Tour history...btw, those guys were taking stuff to get through the race.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
cancel the season.
There is no "season". There is only a loose association of races(groups of which are owned by organizations like ASO) and somehow they seem to be able to put a schedule together wthout getting in each other's way.

It's like Formula One used to be before Ecclestone took it all over and made himself and a lot of other people wealthy.
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it was a joke. calm down.
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I think from an American point of view it is canceled. Are there any American riders that even have a remote chance of being competitive? Seems like all we have is "hope" for the future.
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Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
Mate, you're delussional. The Tour hasn't ever been clean that I'm aware of. Doping of one form or another go back to some of it's earliest days. And, it's always been about making money. It was created as a commercial venture and advertising avenue.
Sir, you are correct.

Anyone else thinking that the TdF (or most sports) is clean as the driven snow isjust plain naive.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
If you use that logic, all sporting events should be cancelled. As should all financial transactions. And marriages.
Or we should just not watch sporting events until we assured of an honest event. Or not get married unless we are assured of fidelity.
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
Sir, you are correct.

Anyone else thinking that the TdF (or most sports) is clean as the driven snow isjust plain naive.
Can't help but see the irony of your statement juxtaposed to your wells quote. I see lance and the tour and am wicked dispaired! (sic)
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Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
Mate, you're delussional. The Tour hasn't ever been clean that I'm aware of. Doping of one form or another go back to some of it's earliest days. And, it's always been about making money. It was created as a commercial venture and advertising avenue.
Then why are we and the press always surprised when we hear of a squeaky clean rider getting nabbed? Why do we penalize riders at all? It is because we, meaning everyone from riders to viewers, from sponsors to press, WANT a clean tour, and WE always have.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
There has never been a "clean" Tour. There. I feel better. To think there ever was is comical.
To think that there could be or should be? Comical? Nope. Do you think that because we've not yet won the war on terror or fixed the problem of drugs being smuggled into the country that we should simply accept it?
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Originally Posted by La Tortue View Post
I think from an American point of view it is canceled. Are there any American riders that even have a remote chance of being competitive? Seems like all we have is "hope" for the future.
Van Garderen will win it within the next 5 years. He won the white jersey this year, placed 5th overall riding primarily in support of Evans.
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