The Chris Froome thread
07-16-13, 02:04 PM
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07-16-13, 02:30 PM
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Froome and sky are still doping, so take that. jesus...forums.
Apologies....
07-16-13, 02:37 PM
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Nah. That wasn't necessary either.
Resisting the urge to ejaculate prematurely was sufficient.
Barely credible, really, that those working themselves into a lather of self righteous indignation didn't think to question why Sky would have flouted the rules so brazenly and openly and thereby risked a potentially damaging penalty for their riders.
And "newb"??? Really??? Bless!
Resisting the urge to ejaculate prematurely was sufficient.
Barely credible, really, that those working themselves into a lather of self righteous indignation didn't think to question why Sky would have flouted the rules so brazenly and openly and thereby risked a potentially damaging penalty for their riders.
And "newb"??? Really??? Bless!
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07-16-13, 02:42 PM
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Nah. That wasn't necessary either.
Resisting the urge to ejaculate prematurely was sufficient.
Barely credible, really, that those working themselves into a self righteous lather of indignation didn't think to question why Sky would have flouted the rules so brazenly and openly and thereby risked a potentially damaging penalty for their riders.
And "newb"??? Really??? Bless!
Resisting the urge to ejaculate prematurely was sufficient.
Barely credible, really, that those working themselves into a self righteous lather of indignation didn't think to question why Sky would have flouted the rules so brazenly and openly and thereby risked a potentially damaging penalty for their riders.
And "newb"??? Really??? Bless!
07-16-13, 02:45 PM
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07-16-13, 02:55 PM
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he's referring to the team bus stuck at the finish line, not the autobus.
I don't know if they announced the change in the feed zone rules before the Ventoux stage.
It may have been a decision to let them feed on the climb, due to the length of the stage, and the length of the climb. Even for those guys, most of them would take more than a hour up Ventoux.
I don't know if they announced the change in the feed zone rules before the Ventoux stage.
It may have been a decision to let them feed on the climb, due to the length of the stage, and the length of the climb. Even for those guys, most of them would take more than a hour up Ventoux.
Cycling has a long history of changes made after a stage starts. The most common being shortening a stage in the mountains due to bad weather. The most recent I recall took out an entire mountain because the decent would have been overly dangerous.
I think it is also worth pointing out that the time gaps put in By Froome are NOT large historically speaking. Though they might seem that way to a 99er.
07-16-13, 03:10 PM
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But all that applies to the Discovery Channel, to the US Postal Service, to Livestrong just as much. It applied to US athletics, but they had no problem covering up Carl Lewis' doping. And you're presupposing that if Brailsford is doping his riders, it would only be under instructions from BC, rather than on his own intiative.
I see a lot of "Brailsford and Froome can't be doping; they wouldn't do that." Well I bet somebody who knew him really well thought Ben Johnson was never the kind of guy to cheat like that.
None of this is to say one way or the other whether Froome is clean as a whistle, dirty as sin, or somewhere in between. Only that you can't just blanket say "he wouldn't dope, he has too much to lose."
It might turn out that they are using some unkown, untestable, superdrug, but when you consider that other teams didn't, until they started copying Sky, have a tailored roller/turbo warming down routine, might in not be that they are simply more efficient in there preparation and, given their development of track success, simply know more about training and preparing riders for the demands of a major tour?
Which other teams have the wealth of thoroughly tested, scientific eveidence as to what works and what doesn't, together with the resources of teh best funded national governing body in cycling?
07-16-13, 03:11 PM
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Just the fact that these guys can come back from a single stage of a lifetime epic ride and do it over again the next day or two days later, for at least 2 weeks worth of those stages is suspicious enough at this point. We act like it's the matter of leading, but the whole event of a cycle tour is grueling enough to question drug use. The suffering alone looks like an addiction.
On the first of those Froome made time on everyone, in large part because his team turned itself inside out chasing while Froome sat on their wheels. The next day again in the mountains, but not a mountaintop finish Froome found himself isolated because the rest of his team was spent.
07-16-13, 03:14 PM
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What race are you watching? There has not been a single stage that has been a lifetime epic stage that I can recall. Quintana made two attacks that had the potential for such if all went great. Both time he was caught.
On the first of those Froome made time on everyone, in large part because his team turned itself inside out chasing while Froome sat on their wheels. The next day again in the mountains, but not a mountaintop finish Froome found himself isolated because the rest of his team was spent.
On the first of those Froome made time on everyone, in large part because his team turned itself inside out chasing while Froome sat on their wheels. The next day again in the mountains, but not a mountaintop finish Froome found himself isolated because the rest of his team was spent.
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07-16-13, 03:23 PM
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No it doesn't. None of those organisations, US Athletics excepted, had the responsibility for governing the sport nationally and even US Athletics weren't running their sport in the way that British Cycling do. Neither did I say that Brailsford would be doping under BC instructions, simply that, as the driving force behind BC's successes on the track and then the road, those making the accusations have to provide some rationale for them to do so, given the total disaster it would cause cycling in Britain.
Ben Johnson had everything to gain, Brailsford/BC/Sky do not and he was only responsible for himself
What I was saying was that those making the accusations have to provide some overwhelming rationale, given that the damage it would do to all concerned would be of an order greater than even the Armstrong debacle and would affect the whole of the sport in the country
It might turn out that they are using some unkown, untestable, superdrug, but when you consider that other teams didn't, until they started copying Sky, have a tailored roller/turbo warming down routine, might in not be that they are simply more efficient in there preparation and, given their development of track success, simply know more about training and preparing riders for the demands of a major tour?
Which other teams have the wealth of thoroughly tested, scientific evidence as to what works and what doesn't, together with the resources of the best funded national governing body in cycling?
Ben Johnson had everything to gain, Brailsford/BC/Sky do not and he was only responsible for himself
What I was saying was that those making the accusations have to provide some overwhelming rationale, given that the damage it would do to all concerned would be of an order greater than even the Armstrong debacle and would affect the whole of the sport in the country
It might turn out that they are using some unkown, untestable, superdrug, but when you consider that other teams didn't, until they started copying Sky, have a tailored roller/turbo warming down routine, might in not be that they are simply more efficient in there preparation and, given their development of track success, simply know more about training and preparing riders for the demands of a major tour?
Which other teams have the wealth of thoroughly tested, scientific evidence as to what works and what doesn't, together with the resources of the best funded national governing body in cycling?
07-16-13, 03:27 PM
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What race are you watching? There has not been a single stage that has been a lifetime epic stage that I can recall. Quintana made two attacks that had the potential for such if all went great. Both time he was caught.
On the first of those Froome made time on everyone, in large part because his team turned itself inside out chasing while Froome sat on their wheels. The next day again in the mountains, but not a mountaintop finish Froome found himself isolated because the rest of his team was spent.
On the first of those Froome made time on everyone, in large part because his team turned itself inside out chasing while Froome sat on their wheels. The next day again in the mountains, but not a mountaintop finish Froome found himself isolated because the rest of his team was spent.
07-16-13, 03:30 PM
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you act like Froome didn't have to even pedal. Like everyone else, he too had to keep up with the pace the rest of SKY was setting. Unlike everyone else, Froome took off SPRINTING and had a time up that mountain only approached by known dopers. It's not like Froome got a free ride.
Please give a source for Froome's time compared to other doped riders.
07-16-13, 03:39 PM
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I love the responses that talk about how it was Sky blowing up the peleton that made it so easy for Froome to ride away from everybody. Ok, so he sat behind Porte for the first 100 miles and took it easy. So why is he so much faster in the last 8 miles than Contador or anybody else who sat on Froome's wheel for the first 100 miles?
And I really love all the talk of new training techniques, special equipment used, and how Froome's physiology is just different than everybody else. I seem to recall another team that "paid attention to all the little details" for the first time in the history of the sport...and who tweaked all their gear and equipment to get every last gram of weight out...and who had a special rider with an oversized heart and remarkable ability to clear lactic acid...and as it turned out, the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sport. We have heard all these kinds of claims before...and everytime we have heard them about a team that just seems better than everybody else by a wide margin, we have always subsequently found out that they were a bunch of dopers. So forgive me if I am not wide-eyed and slack-jawed at the claims of new training programs and special equipment and unique physiology...I have heard it several times before and I won't be fooled by it again.
As for the warming down on rollers I keep seeing mentioned...I can remember watching racers at my local crit cool down on rollers years ago, and I can remember seeing riders interviewed on TV while cooling down on a trainer years ago as well. So it is not a new thing. Maybe SKY really does it in some way that is different than other teams...but simply warming down on rollers/trainers is not new at all.
And I really love all the talk of new training techniques, special equipment used, and how Froome's physiology is just different than everybody else. I seem to recall another team that "paid attention to all the little details" for the first time in the history of the sport...and who tweaked all their gear and equipment to get every last gram of weight out...and who had a special rider with an oversized heart and remarkable ability to clear lactic acid...and as it turned out, the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sport. We have heard all these kinds of claims before...and everytime we have heard them about a team that just seems better than everybody else by a wide margin, we have always subsequently found out that they were a bunch of dopers. So forgive me if I am not wide-eyed and slack-jawed at the claims of new training programs and special equipment and unique physiology...I have heard it several times before and I won't be fooled by it again.
As for the warming down on rollers I keep seeing mentioned...I can remember watching racers at my local crit cool down on rollers years ago, and I can remember seeing riders interviewed on TV while cooling down on a trainer years ago as well. So it is not a new thing. Maybe SKY really does it in some way that is different than other teams...but simply warming down on rollers/trainers is not new at all.
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