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Old 05-09-14, 03:17 PM
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Atoc

Tour of CA begins Sunday, here in Sac. Most of the boys have arrived. Saw Team Sky outside of town last weekend, while BMC chose to prepare in (snowy) Tahoe. Think I'll cruise up and down the local MUP tomorrow, with my GoPro on...

ATOC conflicts again with Giro d'Ireland, er 'Italia, yet lots of heavyweights coming:

Tour Of California 2014: Start List | Cyclingnews.com

Van Garderen won't be defending. Apparently he is BMC's future, so skipping ATOC and Giro.

Sagan loves this event; look for multiple stage wins. Tough climbing route next Friday; hopefully, no 110-degree temps this year...
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There are a lot of strong riders in the Atoc this year. The long climbs are going to be Wiggins biggest challenge. He couldn't follow the fastest climbers in Giro del Trentino and lost alot of time there.
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Old 05-14-14, 08:15 AM
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Anyone else frustrated with the quality of the tv coverage, specifically the inability to hold a satellite camera feed resulting in a bunch of frozen pictures.
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Old 05-14-14, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dalameda View Post
Anyone else frustrated with the quality of the tv coverage, specifically the inability to hold a satellite camera feed resulting in a bunch of frozen pictures.
Yeah, the coverage has been bad, both as to content and quality. The motorcycle feed are more like slideshows, and very little background about the teams, racers, routes, etc. CVV's commentaries are a bit rough, too; he has the pro perspective and experience, but can't seem to verbalize either.
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Old 05-14-14, 06:22 PM
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The worst cycling broadcast I have seen in a long time. And what's the deal with the information banner below. The distance and time between groups is constantly off. I think they should land one of the choppers and upgrade the signal transmitter. Paris-Roubaix with all it's cobbles was a dream compared to this.
But since I am a little Wiggins-nut there was another thing that bothered me more than the broadcast. How could he loose 20 sec on the last 300 m.

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Old 05-14-14, 06:59 PM
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use the Eurosport link on Steephill.tv Hatch and Smith commentating well as usual.

Some kickass riding by a skinny climber today! have no idea how the big teams effed that up but Cav was pissed.. i'm guessing C-dale wouldn't contribute.
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Old 05-15-14, 07:02 AM
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So what do you think for stage 5... there's going to be a climbers breakaway on San Marcos Pass and a possibility that they can hold out for the downhill and flat section. It's going to be a difficult job for the sprinter teams trying to close the gap after the downhill. It's only 10 km and they gave it hell yesterday trying to reel the breakaway in. Sky will put a good pace up the pass but do you think Rohan will attack for yellow today. My bet is that he's going to make Sky work hard to defend the jersey and then he'll put on a fierce attack on tomorrow.
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The coverage has been awful, awful, awful! There is no excuse. The sun is shining, there are very few trees, there is no reason why there should be so much picture freeze. I still have last years Diablo stage on DVR, and I watched it again to check. There were NONE of these problems last year. Well, maybe once in a while, but this year has been totally horrible.

Not only that, but the camera work itself is awful. Helicopter shots when it's turning and you see nothing but the dizzying sight of a camera moving around. Lingering on the winner of stages and missing the next group coming in (today they stayed with Phinney well after he finished and missed the sprint for second. Stage 3 same thing, they stayed with Rohan Dennis and missed everyone else finishing, including Wiggins). On top of that, Christian Vandevelde is TERRIBLE! Sorry, he seems like a nice guy, and a very good ex-racer, but he cannot commentate. I can't listen to him, he can't formulate a single sentence in English. He's been doing this for 4 stages for 2 hours....he needs to improve. I can't stand it.

Lastly, the course for the most part has been extremely poor. Choosing long roads through the middle of nowhere with no other way in or out...there have been basically zero fans on the roadside. I'm sure a lot of these guys are wondering why they are even racing. Stages 4 and 5 were just incredibly boring to watch, zero entertainment. It's just like a group Sunday ride with no one watching. In towns, there have been a smattering of fans, but not many. I was on Diablo again this year and there were far fewer people, and not many sponsor tents and such.

It's all been kind of embarrassing for the race this year. I don't think this race has much life left in it. More and more cities are declining to host, and it seems to be more of an inconvenience for cities and residents. Don't want to be so negative, but it's been pretty bad this year. I think they need to involve more small towns, and stay out of big cities like LA and Sac. And they need to stay away from routes which involve 40 mile long roads into the middle of nowhere, where no one will be.

Come on ATOC, you can do better!
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I agree with you on the coverage. I've never seen so much consistent picture freeze. You would expect this where it's wooded or tunnels or bad weather but no!!!! Very disappointed in the quality of the video stream. Very poor quality indeed. The worst I've seen and I watch it every year.
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Haa Haa Whoooo

Go Phinney

Phinney wins stage 5 of the Amgen Tour of California - VeloNews.com
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
... long roads through the middle of nowhere with no other way in or out..
Well that's the traditional route from Northern California to Southern. It's incredibly picturesque, especially this year with the phenomenal weather. Have you seen the aerial of the boring stage?
.com&utm_campaign=bufferThe alternative would be going down the Central Valley. Yeah, 200-miles of desert winds. I like echelon racing as much as the next guy, but... I suppose the occasional tumble-weed hitting a car on the I-5 would be fun to watch...

Lots of European races get no fans when out in the middle of nowhere, too. Just watching Romandie last week and same thing. You might be suffering from Lance-Discovery-Channel-Coverage-Expectation Syndrome and comparing every event to Le Tour. Unfair comparison. Europe is setup different (especially from American West) with another village every 3 km's. Nothing like that here in Cali unless you count the suburban sprawl around metro areas.

Maybe the best thing would be to transfer (hig-speed rail boondoggle, anyone?) and bypass. But, can't have every stage in the mountains. That's not the training the racers come here for. If they wanted that, they'd do the Giro.

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Old 05-18-14, 12:02 PM
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I don't know the technical details or reasons, but the camera freeze-ups have been the worst of any cycling coverage of late. That being said, it is still pretty cool to have the coverage we do have. Cycling isn't the NFL.

The big problem with this race isn't the coverage.... .it is that we again have a race where we essentially have a single deciding time-trial where someone eeks out a small margin, then spend the other days in a processional watching it being defended against feeble attacks. They need to do something to the scoring structure or route that encourages more attacking. I don't understand why there is an aversion to time bonuses for finishing position - every race that has such bonuses generally has more attacking and a much more interesting GC competition.

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Old 05-19-14, 02:04 AM
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Looks like my pick for most promising new talent Lawson Craddock not only wins best young rider creds, second consecutive year, but finishes on the podium in third as well. Not sure if he's headed to the USA Pro Challenge again this year but he's slated to ride the Bayern Rundfahrt and his first World Tour, the Tour of Switzerland. Kid is steadily improving an already good start in his career.
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I enjoyed watching the end of the ToC. The finish was another exciting sprint battle with Cav just edging out Degenkolb, just like in the first stage in Sacramento.
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One thing I found upsetting is that for at least 2 of the stages I've ridden at least part of the route.

BUT the coverage is so disjointed I can't place just where they are riding.

Listening to the coverage it became pretty clear to me that the announcers had not done their homework and knew next to nothing about the course. (The give away for me was on the Santa Clarita to Pasadena stage where they talked about Angeles Crest as if it were a col. I'm pretty sure it was where Angeles Forest Highway joined Angeles Crest Highway. But only pretty sure, again coverage made it very difficult to be sure just where they were).
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