How About Cav's Headbutt?
07-05-14, 07:04 PM
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How About Cav's Headbutt?
Personally, I didn't care for it.
Desperate move, and probably trying too hard for the UK win.
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Desperate move, and probably trying too hard for the UK win.
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07-05-14, 08:07 PM
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Yeah I saw that. He tucked his head to the left the left to push the Green Edge rider out of the way. I guess he felt he was boxed in and did it out of desperation to try and get out for a clear path ahead. In the end it caused the crash. I bet Cavendish will try and blame everybody else for it though. I hope it hasn't finished his tour though.
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He certainly looked like he was in a world of hurt as he was coasting in a few minutes later. I would not be surprised if he is done. It totally looked self-inflicted, though. Too bad. I always enjoyed watching his rocket-boosted sprints to the line.
07-05-14, 08:50 PM
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"A touch of wheels".. ? I'm a fan of MC, but that looked reckless and desperate to me. Hope he's not done..
07-05-14, 09:15 PM
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Yeah I saw that. He tucked his head to the left the left to push the Green Edge rider out of the way. I guess he felt he was boxed in and did it out of desperation to try and get out for a clear path ahead. In the end it caused the crash. I bet Cavendish will try and blame everybody else for it though. I hope it hasn't finished his tour though.
07-05-14, 09:40 PM
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He did admit it but we can't see what was going on just before his head got into that position. Had to be a reason maybe********** He did take resonsibility more than once. Watching it slowly, the rider in green seems to be coming over on the rider that went down with Cav. I just hope he can race again as it will be more interesting.
07-05-14, 09:59 PM
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He put his head into Simon Gerrans.
I watched it from several angles, and he was simply trying to create an opening where there was none.
Talk is, Giant-Shimano has the best lead-out train in the peloton.
Renshaw may be the best LO man, but for a whole train, GS is supposed to be the sprint team to beat.
I've disliked Cav in the past, but softened on him and even bought his "Boy Racer" book, but the way he was working on stage 1 put him back on my sh*t list.
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I watched it from several angles, and he was simply trying to create an opening where there was none.
Talk is, Giant-Shimano has the best lead-out train in the peloton.
Renshaw may be the best LO man, but for a whole train, GS is supposed to be the sprint team to beat.
I've disliked Cav in the past, but softened on him and even bought his "Boy Racer" book, but the way he was working on stage 1 put him back on my sh*t list.
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07-06-14, 06:02 AM
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07-06-14, 08:09 AM
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Mark Cavendish Update: Did Not Start Tour de France Stage 2 | Wall | Omega Pharma - Quick-Step Pro Cycling Team
"Simon and I came up, and I think two of us wanted Peter Sagan's wheel. The others moved to the left. I wanted to go but Gerrans was there. I used my head to try to take us across the road. Gerrans wasn't budging, I wasn't budging, we crossed bars and we both went down. At the end of the race, in different circumstances, I would have hit the brakes and not tried to go for the win. The stage had been lost. I wanted it that bad and I tried to find a gap that wasn't there. I spoke to Simon after the stage, I asked if he was OK, and I also spoke to him on the phone later and apologized to him. I really hope he's OK and today's a good stage for him. I wish him a good rest of the tour."
"Simon and I came up, and I think two of us wanted Peter Sagan's wheel. The others moved to the left. I wanted to go but Gerrans was there. I used my head to try to take us across the road. Gerrans wasn't budging, I wasn't budging, we crossed bars and we both went down. At the end of the race, in different circumstances, I would have hit the brakes and not tried to go for the win. The stage had been lost. I wanted it that bad and I tried to find a gap that wasn't there. I spoke to Simon after the stage, I asked if he was OK, and I also spoke to him on the phone later and apologized to him. I really hope he's OK and today's a good stage for him. I wish him a good rest of the tour."
07-06-14, 08:31 AM
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Yes, not too much sympathy. This isn't hockey after all. Where's the sportsmanship knocking your opponent out of the race?
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07-06-14, 12:49 PM
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I once saw Marcel Kittel catch Cav from the back, and left him in his dust for a sprint win. I had never seen that before.
07-06-14, 01:36 PM
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Might be saving him from some embarrassing sprint finish losses to Kittel anyway.
07-06-14, 05:54 PM
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We have a new angle on the incident today:
07-06-14, 08:13 PM
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07-07-14, 09:50 AM
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A few thoughts:
First, I'm disappointed that the UCI has not taken disciplinary action against MC. This was not just about fighting for position. He deviated from his lane and intentionally made contact in an aggressive way intended to move another rider off of that rider's line, which any reasonable person would know to put other riders in danger. It's the type of action that gets people badly injured, and a strong response from the UCI, (plus a concurrent statement from regional bodies like USA Cycling clarifying that they will not permit this type of B.S. in races) might send a message to those amateur racers who would otherwise be tempted to emulate tactics like these.
Second, I think that MC's professional racing career is now on the fast wane. In most sports, sprinters fade much earlier in their lives than endurance specialists thanks to the physiological requirements for sprinting. MC does not strike me as someone who has much else to offer than sprinting and a sprinter is not particularly valuable at that level unless he wins. Some teams will still be willing to take a chance on him after this season, but I suspect that he will no longer be in a position to command anywhere near his current compensation package. As others have observed, it's plausible that MC would have proved to be the third, fourth or fifth-best sprinter in the 2014 TdF had he finished it.
First, I'm disappointed that the UCI has not taken disciplinary action against MC. This was not just about fighting for position. He deviated from his lane and intentionally made contact in an aggressive way intended to move another rider off of that rider's line, which any reasonable person would know to put other riders in danger. It's the type of action that gets people badly injured, and a strong response from the UCI, (plus a concurrent statement from regional bodies like USA Cycling clarifying that they will not permit this type of B.S. in races) might send a message to those amateur racers who would otherwise be tempted to emulate tactics like these.
Second, I think that MC's professional racing career is now on the fast wane. In most sports, sprinters fade much earlier in their lives than endurance specialists thanks to the physiological requirements for sprinting. MC does not strike me as someone who has much else to offer than sprinting and a sprinter is not particularly valuable at that level unless he wins. Some teams will still be willing to take a chance on him after this season, but I suspect that he will no longer be in a position to command anywhere near his current compensation package. As others have observed, it's plausible that MC would have proved to be the third, fourth or fifth-best sprinter in the 2014 TdF had he finished it.
