What a FUBAR tour this is turning out to be
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LeBron who ?
Anyway, it's a fubar TdF if you're on BMC
Anyway, it's a fubar TdF if you're on BMC
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Okay, there seem to be a lot of serious injuries already. I mean broken bones, torn ligaments, riders in surgery and out of racing for weeks or months
Froome wrist and hand fractures, out for the season most likely
Cav shoulder ligaments torn, maybe ditto
Hernandez head injury, prognosis unknown (to me)
Burghardt shoulder like Cav, maybe not as bad
Schleck severe knee injuries, maybe career ending
Frank broken leg
Atapuma broken leg
Edit to add:
Voss broken nose and finger
Plus like a hundred crashes with bruises and missing skin.
The first week of this Tour seems worse than most.
I think
Froome wrist and hand fractures, out for the season most likely
Cav shoulder ligaments torn, maybe ditto
Hernandez head injury, prognosis unknown (to me)
Burghardt shoulder like Cav, maybe not as bad
Schleck severe knee injuries, maybe career ending
Frank broken leg
Atapuma broken leg
Edit to add:
Voss broken nose and finger
Plus like a hundred crashes with bruises and missing skin.
The first week of this Tour seems worse than most.
I think
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I wonder if it has to do anything with the peculiar odor of the french...
i think froomes broken hand and wrist show that this tour, as entertaining as it is, has gone a bit too far for the sake of entertainment. No other athlete has to endure 5 hours a day for 21 days on a saddle while having to deal with broken bones and road rash. I understand they have to be tough but there is a reason why paris-roubaix only lasts one day and not 21. Lets keep our athletes safe.
i think froomes broken hand and wrist show that this tour, as entertaining as it is, has gone a bit too far for the sake of entertainment. No other athlete has to endure 5 hours a day for 21 days on a saddle while having to deal with broken bones and road rash. I understand they have to be tough but there is a reason why paris-roubaix only lasts one day and not 21. Lets keep our athletes safe.
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There may be something to be said for a gradual ramp up in the first week. The riders are nervous and crash prone in the initial stages, so maybe better to have wider roads (and no cobbles) then.
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I think the TdF organizers are showing the Pro Peloton a taste of things to come; tougher stages, more hazardous road conditions (pavé) and a return to the "Iron Man" days of racing, where the ones who survived were the ones in the best shape.
Maybe it's time for everyone to HTFU and be better prepared; grow a thicker skin, gain a little weight, and put some REAL food in those Musette bags for once!
Maybe it's time for everyone to HTFU and be better prepared; grow a thicker skin, gain a little weight, and put some REAL food in those Musette bags for once!
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Okay, there seem to be a lot of serious injuries already. I mean broken bones, torn ligaments, riders in surgery and out of racing for weeks or months
Froome wrist and hand fractures, out for the season most likely
Cav shoulder ligaments torn, maybe ditto
Hernandez head injury, prognosis unknown (to me)
Burghardt shoulder like Cav, maybe not as bad
Schleck severe knee injuries, maybe career ending
Frank broken leg
Atapuma broken leg
Plus like a hundred crashes with bruises and missing skin.
The first week of this Tour seems worse than most.
I think
Froome wrist and hand fractures, out for the season most likely
Cav shoulder ligaments torn, maybe ditto
Hernandez head injury, prognosis unknown (to me)
Burghardt shoulder like Cav, maybe not as bad
Schleck severe knee injuries, maybe career ending
Frank broken leg
Atapuma broken leg
Plus like a hundred crashes with bruises and missing skin.
The first week of this Tour seems worse than most.
I think
To make a "safe" tour, we've determined we need to remove cobbles, pavement, mountains, flats, and sprints.
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The first week of the Tour always has a lot of crashes; frequently in the easy sections.
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It's not like the hazards of the tour are a big surprise to the riders. They've all been training for this. How many times has Phil told us the teams came out and rode the pavé before the tour even came to town? It's not as if you've taken a hundred guys off the street and said here go ride a hundred miles a day for a month and see how you do.
What about all the people who die climbing Everest, you think they knew it might be dangerous?
What about all the people who die climbing Everest, you think they knew it might be dangerous?
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Don't understand what people have been complaining about, crashes have happened on ordinary roads, just wet ones.
Shall we remove the rain, or shall we just cancel any wet stages?
The real problem is that more bike work is done with science in mind now, crunching numbers, sitting on machines for hours in laboratories..........leaving genuine bike handling skills as less focused on.
This years has been no more dificult than others and the cobbles affected little, just another obstacle to be overcome.
Man up and deal with it.
Shall we remove the rain, or shall we just cancel any wet stages?
The real problem is that more bike work is done with science in mind now, crunching numbers, sitting on machines for hours in laboratories..........leaving genuine bike handling skills as less focused on.
This years has been no more dificult than others and the cobbles affected little, just another obstacle to be overcome.
Man up and deal with it.
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i think froomes broken hand and wrist show that this tour, as entertaining as it is, has gone a bit too far for the sake of entertainment. No other athlete has to endure 5 hours a day for 21 days on a saddle while having to deal with broken bones and road rash. I understand they have to be tough but there is a reason why paris-roubaix only lasts one day and not 21. Lets keep our athletes safe.
They used to be very lengthy, up to 3500 miles, done on heavy single speed bikes with wooden wheels. They sometimes rode at night on roads that were often un-paved, muddy, rutted, and plain dangerous. They had no radios, no communications, no true cycling clothing, no health foods, no weather forecasts, no mechanics, no doctors, no nothing, just their immense guts.
I have to believe that Coppi or Bartoli would find todays Tour quite easy.
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The modern Tour is much faster than in their day. The 1952 edition (which Coppi won) was 4807km, and his average speed was 31.8kph. The 2013 edition was 3404km, and Froome's average speed was 40.5kph.
It's difficult to compare eras, but I think a top rider from the past would likely still be a top rider today, and would find that the elite level of pro cycling just as difficult as modern riders.
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Okay, there seem to be a lot of serious injuries already. I mean broken bones, torn ligaments, riders in surgery and out of racing for weeks or months
Froome wrist and hand fractures, out for the season most likely
Cav shoulder ligaments torn, maybe ditto
Hernandez head injury, prognosis unknown (to me)
Burghardt shoulder like Cav, maybe not as bad
Schleck severe knee injuries, maybe career ending
Frank broken leg
Atapuma broken leg
Edit to add:
Voss broken nose and finger
Plus like a hundred crashes with bruises and missing skin.
The first week of this Tour seems worse than most.
I think
Froome wrist and hand fractures, out for the season most likely
Cav shoulder ligaments torn, maybe ditto
Hernandez head injury, prognosis unknown (to me)
Burghardt shoulder like Cav, maybe not as bad
Schleck severe knee injuries, maybe career ending
Frank broken leg
Atapuma broken leg
Edit to add:
Voss broken nose and finger
Plus like a hundred crashes with bruises and missing skin.
The first week of this Tour seems worse than most.
I think
so far there have been sprint wins, attack win, breakaway win. pretty good so far.
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The cobble stage had Rain, not the organizers fault.
It is a very interesting Tour. lots of crashes, but there always are.
It is just who is taking the brunt of these crashes that is different this year.
It is a very interesting Tour. lots of crashes, but there always are.
It is just who is taking the brunt of these crashes that is different this year.
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Don't understand what people have been complaining about, crashes have happened on ordinary roads, just wet ones.
Shall we remove the rain, or shall we just cancel any wet stages?
The real problem is that more bike work is done with science in mind now, crunching numbers, sitting on machines for hours in laboratories..........leaving genuine bike handling skills as less focused on.
This years has been no more dificult than others and the cobbles affected little, just another obstacle to be overcome.
Man up and deal with it.
Shall we remove the rain, or shall we just cancel any wet stages?
The real problem is that more bike work is done with science in mind now, crunching numbers, sitting on machines for hours in laboratories..........leaving genuine bike handling skills as less focused on.
This years has been no more dificult than others and the cobbles affected little, just another obstacle to be overcome.
Man up and deal with it.
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i wouldn't mind if the UCI banned radios from team strategists and only allowed race officials use of them for safety purposes. and while they are at it, ban bike computers and any kind of power meters too. unless they provide telemetry info to viewers and real-time radio traffic to and from the racers (not sure how this would be done), i can't see how it would affect the fans. i, for one, find it enjoyable when the peleton is unclear as to what is happening up front.
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i wouldn't mind if the UCI banned radios from team strategists and only allowed race officials use of them for safety purposes. and while they are at it, ban bike computers and any kind of power meters too. unless they provide telemetry info to viewers and real-time radio traffic to and from the racers (not sure how this would be done), i can't see how it would affect the fans. i, for one, find it enjoyable when the peleton is unclear as to what is happening up front.
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Yes, indeed. I think the stages ended up going ahead anyway, but they were real bore-fests, as no one wanted to take any risks...
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i think, maybe we should take into consideration the 80 years of racing before computers and radio's were ever used, as a yardstick for whether or not racing will suffer without them.
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I don't know. Ultimately it's still up to the guy on the bike and what form he is in and what he can physically do. Isn't it sort of like football where you have a coach on the sideline calling the plays?
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