What a FUBAR tour this is turning out to be
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Don't understand what people have been complaining about, crashes have happened on ordinary roads, just wet ones.
Shall we remove the rain, or shall we just cancel any wet stages?
The real problem is that more bike work is done with science in mind now, crunching numbers, sitting on machines for hours in laboratories..........leaving genuine bike handling skills as less focused on.
This years has been no more dificult than others and the cobbles affected little, just another obstacle to be overcome.
Man up and deal with it.
Shall we remove the rain, or shall we just cancel any wet stages?
The real problem is that more bike work is done with science in mind now, crunching numbers, sitting on machines for hours in laboratories..........leaving genuine bike handling skills as less focused on.
This years has been no more dificult than others and the cobbles affected little, just another obstacle to be overcome.
Man up and deal with it.
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LOL, tour over. Richie "Lapdog" Porte is the second best rider, and it's plainly obvious he's well below Nibali. Thus, the racing is finished. A forgettable tour to be sure, except for Stage 5, which was probably one of the best I've ever seen. Only thing left is just to watch Nibali slowly and predictably stretch out his lead over the next two weeks.
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LOL, tour over. Richie "Lapdog" Porte is the second best rider, and it's plainly obvious he's well below Nibali. Thus, the racing is finished. A forgettable tour to be sure, except for Stage 5, which was probably one of the best I've ever seen. Only thing left is just to watch Nibali slowly and predictably stretch out his lead over the next two weeks.
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NBCSN might be giving out a lot of free commercial time by the time this one is over. Maybe they can take over the Vuelta coverage from Universal, which might be stacking up to be one heck of a race.
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Exacto. The GC is the biggest prize but is actually one of the less interesting competitions. If Nibali looks unbeatable overall, we'll have better competition for stages.
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Some of the individual stage wins like Boom, Kadri and Martin, while perhaps not epic were mightily impressive
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While GC winner might be wrapped up, there are 10 riders within 2 minutes of each other for the rest of the podium.
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That's kinda like watching Netherlands and Brazil battle it out for third during the world cup. Not even the Netherlandeese celebrated the win.
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If Talansky makes the podium it should be celebrated by U.S. fans.
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If you are watching this like you'd watch a football game (in other words, no real clue what's going on but yelling all the time, anyway) it's not too interesting.
personally, I am find this pretty fascinating watching the tactics being employed given the hand a lot of the DS's have been dealt in the last week.
personally, I am find this pretty fascinating watching the tactics being employed given the hand a lot of the DS's have been dealt in the last week.
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By their time, bikes already had steel frames, gears, cycling-specific clothing and allowed team support. Roads were not perfect, but better than in the early 20th century.
The modern Tour is much faster than in their day. The 1952 edition (which Coppi won) was 4807km, and his average speed was 31.8kph. The 2013 edition was 3404km, and Froome's average speed was 40.5kph.
It's difficult to compare eras, but I think a top rider from the past would likely still be a top rider today, and would find that the elite level of pro cycling just as difficult as modern riders.
The modern Tour is much faster than in their day. The 1952 edition (which Coppi won) was 4807km, and his average speed was 31.8kph. The 2013 edition was 3404km, and Froome's average speed was 40.5kph.
It's difficult to compare eras, but I think a top rider from the past would likely still be a top rider today, and would find that the elite level of pro cycling just as difficult as modern riders.
It makes for boring racing.
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LOL, tour over. Richie "Lapdog" Porte is the second best rider, and it's plainly obvious he's well below Nibali. Thus, the racing is finished. A forgettable tour to be sure, except for Stage 5, which was probably one of the best I've ever seen. Only thing left is just to watch Nibali slowly and predictably stretch out his lead over the next two weeks.
Oh wait!
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Talansky is almost 15 minutes off Nibali after his two crashes. Amazingly though BMC's Tejay van Garderen is just under 4 minutes down, in 7th in the GC, and riding well despite crashes himself in this year's TDF.
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Spartacus is out, focusing on September's WCs. While not a GC threat, he sure can shake things up.
Fabian Cancellara quits Tour de France to focus on Worlds ? and Hour Record? | road.cc
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Personally I think top riders of the past would go crazy riding today. NOT that riders today are better, but that there are more of them, far to many more of them in the Peloton. The result is until the final couple of climbs there is no way a top rider can escape. There are just too many riders to chase him down.
It makes for boring racing.
It makes for boring racing.
By contrast, in 1990 Lemond had to face off against Delgado and Indurain, Mottet, Breukink, Bugno etc with a lot less support, all while trying to trim Chiappucci's big lead. Or in 2011 when Evans had to claw back Voeckler's lead while also competing with the Schlecks, Sanchez, Basso et al.
Astana are doing well so far, but I can't see them having the firepower to control the whole race to Paris. They've a bunch of riders within 5 minutes of Nibali, none of whom can be taken lightly (well, maybe Gallopin...) and the attacks will come.
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However, with the Vuelta starting the same time as the Pro Cycling Challenge, which looks like will void of big names, not going to happen.
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I think the problem in recent years has been the opposite; there have been too few genuine GC contenders, and the favourite has usually had his Sky/Disco/Astana/Telekom train on the front of the race keeping up a high enough pace that prevents attacks from other riders, and just setting up their leader to attack the 2 or 3 remaining contenders on the final climb. So Lance never had to beat Beloki, or Virenque or Sastre, he just had to wait until Levi or Hamilton or Heras had shelled all those guys out and he was left one-on-one with Ullrich or Pantani.
By contrast, in 1990 Lemond had to face off against Delgado and Indurain, Mottet, Breukink, Bugno etc with a lot less support, all while trying to trim Chiappucci's big lead. Or in 2011 when Evans had to claw back Voeckler's lead while also competing with the Schlecks, Sanchez, Basso et al.
Astana are doing well so far, but I can't see them having the firepower to control the whole race to Paris. They've a bunch of riders within 5 minutes of Nibali, none of whom can be taken lightly (well, maybe Gallopin...) and the attacks will come.
By contrast, in 1990 Lemond had to face off against Delgado and Indurain, Mottet, Breukink, Bugno etc with a lot less support, all while trying to trim Chiappucci's big lead. Or in 2011 when Evans had to claw back Voeckler's lead while also competing with the Schlecks, Sanchez, Basso et al.
Astana are doing well so far, but I can't see them having the firepower to control the whole race to Paris. They've a bunch of riders within 5 minutes of Nibali, none of whom can be taken lightly (well, maybe Gallopin...) and the attacks will come.
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Exacto +1. I have always enjoyed the fact that the TdF is composed of 20ish separate races. Better yet, each race has sub-races (Intermediate Sprints, Mountains) to keep things interesting from start to finish. If they did away with the GC competition altogether, I would still find the Tour compelling.