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Old 07-15-14, 02:31 PM
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Alberto Contadors out of the tour confusion, CF frame, cause of crash? interesting

The reports are that the Spaniard favorite to win the race was going down hill at about 40mph. He hit a pebble or or a hole .... There are pictures of broken CF frame here and there, ... Interesting.

Details of Alberto Contador's Tour-ending crash - VeloNews.com
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Specialized ...

that about sums it up.
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Old 07-15-14, 02:39 PM
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Its a rough and tumble world out there .. particularly going fast on cutting edge equipment.
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Yep, time to crank up the rumor mill. Regardless of what happened, I'm sorry he was hurt enough to pull the plug. I wish him the best, and hope he can jigger the rest of the season around what should be a fairly quick recovery.

As to the bike, CF frames do break, but usually as a result, not cause of crashes, and whether on the car or ridden and crashed, I expect this to be the case here.
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Originally Posted by VeloNews
...one of Contador’s frames was broken while it was still on the roof. Following Contador’s crash, the team car had to rush to his aid and clipped the Belkin car as it passed, destroying the bike. Following Contador’s crash, the team car had to rush to his aid and clipped the Belkin car as it passed, destroying the bike. ...
Car ran into carbon bike...that about sums it up. Steel Car vs. Carbon Bike....Car wins...In other news, water is wet. Also, this should probably not be in commuting.
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Good 5+ page thread on this over on the 41s
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Originally Posted by DogBoy View Post
Also, this should probably not be in commuting.
What if I commute home and then watch some of the tour, then can it stay in this forum?
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Has nothing to do with the frame and everything to do with trying to eat an energy bar on an high speed decent in the rain in the TdF.
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Originally Posted by modernjess View Post
Has nothing to do with the frame and everything to do with trying to eat an energy bar on an high speed decent in the rain in the TdF.
While riding a Specialized.
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I have never had the first problem with a Spec product.
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Originally Posted by gregjones View Post
I have never had the first problem with a Spec product.
Ride their Carbon frames much?

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...ame%20brakeage
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Conflicting reports about what happened.

Most recent would seem to show that the damaged frame pictured in the article above was trashed in a collision while in a bike rack on top of a car. It got tangled with another racked bike on a car heading the other way on the narrow streets.



There are other pictures of the bike after Contador's crash that show his bike basically intact except for the brifters being messed up.

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Search for titanium frame cracks and you will get a long list as well
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There are no "conflicting reports". There is no controversy, save for those manufactured on the interwebz. Sad, for those who want carbon to asplode, but there it is.

Although, there may have been a grassy knoll near the point where AC crashed ...

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Let's get real here. Steel frames don't last forever. But when steel frames get bent, buckled, or dented in a crash nobody starts a rant about the material. I'm not a Specialized fan, nor one of CF frames for most people, but that doesn't mean the material is poor, or that we can draw all sorts of conclusions from something like AC's broken frame (however it happened).

The only difference is that most steel frames are ductile, and fail in a way that points to the cause. CF, being less ductile can fail without leaving a clear trail as to what happened.

The real story here is Mr. Contador and the actual degree of injury, and how it'll affect his season.
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Originally Posted by tjspiel View Post
Conflicting reports about what happened.

Most recent would seem to show that the damaged frame pictured in the article above was trashed in a collision while in a bike rack on top of a car. It got tangled with another racked bike on a car heading the other way on the narrow streets.



There are other pictures of the bike after Contador's crash that show his bike basically intact except for the brifters being messed up.
nice Dutch plates
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Originally Posted by badger1 View Post
There are no "conflicting reports". There is no controversy, .....
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Yes CF frames break. Steel/Titanium frames do too. But consider this. I didn't see a lot of Mercedes Benz PR reports When Princess Diana was killed in an accident riding that brand of Sport class vehicle. I dont know what happened and I feel bad for the Alberto for working so hard and he had to quit so abruptly. Specialized seem like acting very nervous and immature, had to issue statement very quickly and had to change it 2-3 times consequently. I don't know.
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Likely story. That picture was taken on the same set that the moon landing was filmed on.

Let's start a bikeforums investigation into what happened. I'll Google all of the names of the brand bikes that riders are using in the Tour de France and follow the name brand with the words "carbon breakage" - or "brakeage" I guess. If I can find pictures of all of them with broken frames, we can rule out (that's a scientific approach!) the frame as the cause and move on to accusing individuals that were near the scene at the time of the crash.

Who's with me? Let me first grab a beer.

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Conflicting reports about what happened.

Most recent would seem to show that the damaged frame pictured in the article above was trashed in a collision while in a bike rack on top of a car. It got tangled with another racked bike on a car heading the other way on the narrow streets.



There are other pictures of the bike after Contador's crash that show his bike basically intact except for the brifters being messed up.
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nice Dutch plates
Belkin is a Dutch team.
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I read that there was an ozone hole in the Mulhouse area which caused the epoxy degrade and resulted in spontaneous delamination of the fiber weave.
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TDF is a tough sport, anything can happen.
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Quick everyone stop riding carbon bikes because 1 out of 219 riders bike broke.
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Originally Posted by tjspiel View Post
Belkin is a Dutch team.
Ik ben me bewust van dat

but, seriously, they're always an eyesore in any foto!
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Just saying... do any of you (AF excepted) believe that AC was riding an off the shelf POS Specialized that a civilian might accidentally wander into a Bike Gallery or Non-Performance Bike Shop and ride home? Do you? So... lets try this again, using reasonable amounts of speculation and inquiry. Shall we?

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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
Just saying... do any of you (AF excepted) believe that AC was riding an off the shelf POS Specialized that a civilian might accidentally wander into a Bike Gallery or Non-Performance Bike Shop and ride home? Do you? So... lets try this again, using reasonable amounts of speculation and inquiry. Shall we?

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I don't wanna be excepted. I personally find S-works shoddy, to say the least, but this is the TdF.

In the end, it's a "mechanical" failure written into the annuals of history, or?
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