Recumbent What IS that thing?! Recumbents may be odd looking, but they have many advantages over a "wedgie" bicycle. Discuss the in's and out's recumbent lifestyle in the recumbent forum.

New 406 wheel

Reply

Old 06-24-18, 04:08 PM
  #1  
superj
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
Posts: 40

Bikes: lighting cycles phantom, p-38, and a bike-e ct

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
New 406 wheel

Where do you guys get replacement front wheels? I need a 406 / 20" front wheel and i check all the normal places and you have to either buy a f/r set of wheels, or pay two hundred and something bucks.

i just want a regular old same style wheel i had. I don't need carbon fiber or bladed spokes, just a straight wheel.

this is teally aggrevating me, trying to find a reasonably priced replacement front wheel
superj is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-18, 06:48 PM
  #2  
700
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: HSV
Posts: 238

Bikes: 2014 BSO. :-)

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 57 Post(s)
Cheapest way might be a kids bike - yard sale, Craigslist, WalMart. Don't know what to do with the rest of the bike.

700 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-18, 07:39 PM
  #3  
superj
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
Posts: 40

Bikes: lighting cycles phantom, p-38, and a bike-e ct

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Except a bmx front wheel won't work. I need a quick release hub and thin enough for a road tire, a 1" wide tire.

thats what makes this hard. The stock wheel manufacturer wants an arm and a leg and i cannot find them used
superj is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-18, 07:55 PM
  #4  
JanMM
rebmeM roineS
 
JanMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Metro Indy, IN
Posts: 15,057

Bikes: RANS V3 ti, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
I have bought Velocity wheels from Hostel Shoppe. Not as much selection as they offered 5-10 years ago. Great wheel and less than $200 ----> https://hostelshoppe.com/Velocity-Ae...2-Wheel-32013/

Niagara offers a variety of cheaper wheels. https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...eels/wheels/20
Can't personally vouch for any of them.
__________________
RANS V3 Ti, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
JanMM is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-18, 07:03 AM
  #5  
superj
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
Posts: 40

Bikes: lighting cycles phantom, p-38, and a bike-e ct

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I will check them out, thanks
superj is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-18, 10:55 AM
  #6  
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 36,101

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 132 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5210 Post(s)
Originally Posted by superj View Post
Except a bmx front wheel won't work. I need a quick release hub and thin enough for a road tire, a 1" wide tire.

thats what makes this hard. The stock wheel manufacturer wants an arm and a leg and i cannot find them used
OK 2 issues there , # 1 you are cheap .. 2 for a skinny (25mm) tire, you may have to consider a 451 rim and tire wheel ..

Get over the first, and the possibilities for the 2nd will open up.. result, still, nominally a 20" wheel ..
fietsbob is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-18, 05:56 PM
  #7  
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Posts: 10,496

Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 705 Post(s)
Before you spend too much time bemoaning the lack of <$200 wheel sets, try pricing rims and hubs. You can always get one built at your LBS. But you may discover that this isn't 1980 anymore.
BlazingPedals is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-18, 11:59 AM
  #8  
superj
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
Posts: 40

Bikes: lighting cycles phantom, p-38, and a bike-e ct

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
# 1 who f'ing cares if someone is cheap. I am trying to keep my bikes ride-able while putting a kid through texas a&m so money isn't free flowing. if you don't like what I ask or stuff like that, don't reply to my questions. its as simple as that. (but, knowing how forums work, I bet there will be a lot of kick back to my reply because I am not part of the good 'ol boy club so, what ever..)

now, maybe I am just having a bad day but some times people answer with some really jerk sounding replies. maybe its me, and if it is, I am sorry. I realize what you say and type can appear to be different because black and white versus seeing people's body language results in things being taken differently than meant.

a 451 won't fit.

I already asked the local shop redoing my wheel, and they told me its cheaper to buy another. but their idea of cheap and the prices online don't seem to match.

is there a special # backroom or something? I see people # 1 a lot and there are pages of it.
superj is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-18, 02:51 PM
  #9  
Steamer
Senior Member
 
Steamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: high ground
Posts: 978
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 82 Post(s)
Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
2 for a skinny (25mm) tire, you may have to consider a 451 rim and tire wheel ..
Nope, there are 23mm tires in 406 available.

28mm too, some of which may be close to 25mm actual width anyway.

Oddly, I am not sure if there are any listed 25mm tires out there in 406.
Steamer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-18, 02:56 PM
  #10  
Steamer
Senior Member
 
Steamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: high ground
Posts: 978
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 82 Post(s)
I went looking for a new, cheap-ish 406 wheel for my Wishbone about a year ago, and found it difficult as well.

I concluded that the best way was for me to rebuild around an old hub.

In rims, the best value I found was a SUN CR18, available from Universal Cycles.

https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=49325

The only issue to keep in mind is that you should use a tire that is at least 28 mm or so wide. The rim itself is 22mm. An actual 23mm wide tire would be too narrow. A 25mm tire would probably too narrow also.
Steamer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-18, 03:39 PM
  #11  
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 36,101

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 132 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5210 Post(s)
rim wide tyre nattow , I wouldn't do it

451 narrow rims are a good match for a narrow tire ...
fietsbob is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-18, 04:08 PM
  #12  
Steamer
Senior Member
 
Steamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: high ground
Posts: 978
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 82 Post(s)
Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
rim wide tyre nattow , I wouldn't do it

451 narrow rims are a good match for a narrow tire ...
Nobody is asking you to.

In case you didn't read it the first time, 451 won't work on the OPs bike.

Or is this about you, somehow?
Steamer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-18, 06:36 PM
  #13  
Sprout4u
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 11
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Are you looking for new or used? Try eBay. I listed and sold a few there not too long ago. I might even have one or two used ones left. I really don't know. I keep them around just in case I need one. I think I have 305 16" one on ebay now.
There is a black 406 one on eBay. Just search 406 recumbent front wheel.
Sprout4u is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-18, 08:03 AM
  #14  
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Posts: 10,496

Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 705 Post(s)
Here ya go. Cheap wheels. Kinda heavy, but it's a set so you can sell the rear one to cover the cost of the front one.
BlazingPedals is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-18, 08:22 PM
  #15  
sch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Mountain Brook. AL
Posts: 3,451
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 150 Post(s)
dup post while looking up poweron

Last edited by sch; 06-29-18 at 08:28 PM.
sch is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-18, 08:26 PM
  #16  
sch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Mountain Brook. AL
Posts: 3,451
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 150 Post(s)
The Niagra wheels look suspiciously like BMX wheels with the coaster brakes and wide rims. Doubt they are true
406, but even if they are the BMX heritage is incompatible with narrow tires (<50mm). Further research suggests
BMX wheels are true 406, so maybe one of these might be usable though heavy if meant for BMX service.

Power on cycling has this: https://poweroncycling.com/product-l...47/?rb_ct=1091
but they are proud of them.

Last edited by sch; 06-29-18 at 08:35 PM.
sch is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-18, 08:53 PM
  #17  
JanMM
rebmeM roineS
 
JanMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Metro Indy, IN
Posts: 15,057

Bikes: RANS V3 ti, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Originally Posted by sch View Post
The Niagra wheels look suspiciously like BMX wheels with the coaster brakes and wide rims. Doubt they are true
406, but even if they are the BMX heritage is incompatible with narrow tires (<50mm). Further research suggests
BMX wheels are true 406, so maybe one of these might be usable though heavy if meant for BMX service.

Power on cycling has this: https://poweroncycling.com/product-l...47/?rb_ct=1091
but they are proud of them.
Lots of different 406 wheels on Niagara. Many are indeed aimed at BMX. "true 406" wheels can be found on recumbent bikes, BMX bikes, folding bikes, etc. 406 wheels come in various rim widths, hub styles, etc.
406 wheels on Walmart.com, too. cheap, for the most part.
https://www.walmart.com/search/?quer...heels&cat_id=0
__________________
RANS V3 Ti, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer

Last edited by JanMM; 06-29-18 at 09:13 PM.
JanMM is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-18, 07:41 PM
  #18  
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Posts: 10,496

Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 705 Post(s)
OP is complaining about $200 wheels or having to buy a set. For $100 you're looking at used, or a <$50 rim built onto an existing hub, or Ali Express. The wheelset I linked above was for disc, as most of their wheels are; but that particular one didn't have a brake track for rim brakes. They offer other wheelsets for <100 that do have brake tracks; and for that low price it doesn't matter if you use the rear wheel or not.

The last front wheel I had built used a $80 hub and a $200 rim. A Velocity Aeroheat 406 rim retails for $78.99. Build is extra.
BlazingPedals is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-18, 08:33 PM
  #19  
mchell
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Buckhorn, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 214

Bikes: Rans Screamer, Catrike Expedition, Specialized Montain Bike, Cannondale Quick SL1

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
It's a long way from Texas, but you might ask David at MBS Tandems Canada if he could build a 406 for you. Mike
mchell is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-18, 07:14 AM
  #20  
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Posts: 28,853

Bikes: Catrike 559 I own some others but they don't get ridden very much.

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 990 Post(s)
My go-to source for that kind of stuff is Niagara Bicycle.
__________________
My greatest fear is all of my kids standing around my coffin and talking about "how sensible" dad was.
Retro Grouch is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-18, 10:55 AM
  #21  
nfmisso
Nigel
 
nfmisso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 2,900

Bikes: 1980s and 1990s steel: CyclePro, Nishiki, Schwinn, SR, Trek........

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Steamer View Post
.......In rims, the best value I found was a SUN CR18,

The only issue to keep in mind is that you should use a tire that is at least 28 mm or so wide. The rim itself is 22mm. An actual 23mm wide tire would be too narrow. A 25mm tire would probably too narrow also.
The CR18 is 18mm inside width, I have had no issues running a 23mm tire on CR18 rims.

I build my own wheels, which is usually not the least expensive way to go for a wheel, but in the long run can be the most cost effective because you can build it to your needs.

I'd go with a Velocity Aeroheat 406 rim. Velocity rims are easier to build up than many others because they are round and flat

Last edited by nfmisso; 07-03-18 at 11:04 AM.
nfmisso is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-18, 07:50 PM
  #22  
iambent
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maryville, IL
Posts: 37

Bikes: RANS Stratus 700, Bacchetta Corsa, HPV Gekko FX 20, Rover Tandem

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
You can get a built wheel from Perennial Cycle for $125. They build the wheel in house with Sun CR18 rim, SRAM hub, DT 14 gauge spokes. It is disc or rim brake compatible. As Nigel stated the inside width of the CR18 is 18mm.
https://www.perennialcycle.com/compo...isc-mount.html
iambent is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-18, 05:12 AM
  #23  
BentRider56
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Can the hub be reused?

Have you considered reusing your existing hub? Velocity has narrow Aeroheat 406 rims with MSM (machined sidewalls) and various drillings (number of spokes). You can buy directly from Velocity for a few extra $.
I've built wheels from scratch. A front is not very hard (No dishing :-) , though spoke length can be tricky if the rim profile is different, you might need new spokes too. I bought my new (rear) rim & spokes from Peter White Cycles, who advised me on lengths.
BentRider56 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-18, 11:38 AM
  #24  
StephenH
Uber Goober
 
StephenH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dallas area, Texas
Posts: 11,585
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 124 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Sprout4u View Post
Are you looking for new or used? Try eBay. I listed and sold a few there not too long ago. I might even have one or two used ones left. I really don't know. I keep them around just in case I need one. I think I have 305 16" one on ebay now.
There is a black 406 one on eBay. Just search 406 recumbent front wheel.
The Bike Friday's also use 20" wheels. I think the Pocket Rocket is the 451, the touring models are the 406. I assume some of the other folders do as well. Also, while not popular in the US, the "mini velo" bikes use 20" higher-quality wheels. But the application is not limited to recumbents.

I wondered about parts from Bike Friday, but all that's listed on the website is a dynamo hub 451 wheel for $195.
__________________
"be careful this rando stuff is addictive and dan's the 'pusher'."
StephenH is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 01:04 PM
  #25  
honcho
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 24
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Universal cycles Alivio 32h hub, Velocity Aeroheat rim, DT swiss straight spokes, DT Swiss brass nipples, ~$130 plus shipping, no sales tax.

Use their custom wheelset builder, you can probably build a cheaper one.
honcho is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service