No. You've just convinced yourself that something that works best for you (and a small fraction of cyclists) is the best choice for everyone. It's an old song, and everybody is tired of hearing it. Give it a rest.

Diamond Frame. I prefer to use, "Upright" since it makes a nice counterpart to, "Recumbent." Besides, some sensitive individual might think DF stands for something objectionable.

Double fenetration?

All well and good, but some day you too will get old and smart too, and realize that cycling means more than the right bike, the right kit, the right speed, the right cadence, the proper length of ride, and a proper goal when you ride. You will learn that no one is watching you or cares how you ride, or if you appear to be a proper cyclist. You will learn it is just fun and go out and ride your ride the way it feels good to you, and just enjoy the ride. Cycling can be fun.

But in some cases it just might be.

And the push back against bents is just as objectionable.

There's very little pushback against recumbents – there are just a lot of people who are tired of your constant proselytizing.

Fixed that typo for you ... you're welcome.

I took Prof. David Wilson's recumbent for a spin 1976. Knew right away that bike was the real deal; that had it been equipped with race gear and wheels, it would be fine ride. (Also caught up to him and rode with him several times. He as not slow. I was faster because I was a mid 20s in form racer and he was middle aged.) But that recumbent lacked on feature that I live for. The dance. (Out of the saddle climbing. My happy place.) Gotta solve that or I have to become unable to ride DFs for me to switch.

Oh, and ever since that ride I have known that a small front wheeled, short wheelbase under the knees steerer was it. I don't see a lot of those.

This thread was moved over here to the recumbent thread. I see that you followed it over here to continue your incessant snotty attacks.

It doesn't have to be an either/or thing. I bought a used recumbent two seasons ago and rode it exclusively for about 6 weeks @ 200-300 miles a week including a late season 400k. I like riding my recumbent a lot, but I still prefer my uprights for brevets because it's more fun to ride with other people who are on the same kind of bike. So last season I rode uprights pretty much exclusively until the Fall. I would ride my recumbent a lot more, but the muscles it uses are a lot different and I'm afraid it will make me slower on my uprights if I spend too much time on the recumbent early in the season.

That depends on the neighborhood--Canaryville or Wrigleyville, big difference. And whether one is from Chicago or moved there.

You should have posted it here in the first place. But you know that....

Do you feel threatened by recumbent bikes and trikes?

Do you get angry when a high racer passes you when riding into the wind?

Bottom line sticking to an 1890 style of bike is kind of dumb. Time moves on. Dont be an old fud new and better things do get invented you know.

But people over here have already learned to diversify.

I didn't notice that! I found another list of safest American cities while looking for the one I used. Chicago was like #2 or #3, and Lincoln was #46 or so. I was pretty surprised. :-)

People have a hard time with the concept of incidents per 100,000 vs just raw numbers. Our raw numbers are high, but our population is gigantic.

Do you realize you have responded to the same post (#62) three times?

Hey, maybe we agree on something:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6cdedae294.jpg

It would seem that recumbent bikes would be the ideal solution for randonneuring. And in the last dozen years or so, I can think of 11 recumbent riders in the local randonneuring club, plus one or two I'm overlooking no doubt. Exactly zero of them are still doing randonneur rides on a regular basis. One of them might sometimes, but he's just as likely to be on road bike or velomobile. I think four of them are currently riding upright bikes rather than recumbents (more gravel/mountain than road bikes).

I hate riding on gravel. I was on the farm and had to ride gravel to school from the 3rd grade to the 10th grade. I got my fill of gravel. I might add that a fat tire trike would be quite safe on gravel.

A Fat Tire trike, unless e-assisted ($$$) is NOT something I would need to be convinced to avoid. Haven't you noticed you don't see any fat tire bikes anymore on the roads? You didn't stop to wonder why that was? And while I am here I might observe that the likelihood of buying anything bike, trike or bike/trike related is very, very low for at least another year! About all that is left is the stuff nobody wants (for good reason) or niche products like cargo bikes and unicycles and frightuflly expensive factory e-assist roadbikes. Being in evangelist mode right now comes off as a bit tone deaf to say the least.

Actually quite often I see and hear fat tire bikes on the hard surface trails here in town. Personally I couldnt stand the noise to ride one on hard surface trails.

Not necessarily a recumbent issue; but you don't need FAT (3-5 inch wide) tires to ride gravel. Most MTBs with 1.75-2.1" tires do gravel just fine. You don't need the fatties until you get into deeper snow or soft sand; and even then there's a limit to how much benefit they have.

PS this is a dead thread. OP has obviously moved on.

Do they work in snow? There are still 28 days of winter left in Nebraska.

Back when I lived in town, I used to cycle-commute year around. Mostly on an upright. Even my mountain bike had problems when the snow got more than a couple of inches deep. Bents were fair-weather only.

Here in Michigan, we hope the groundhog sees his shadow so there's ONLY 6 more weeks of winter. ;) Ice fishing on inland lakes usually runs until the end of March, and it's hard to define "spring" to be something before ice-out happens.

Can you promise me that we only have 28 days of winter left?? That would be fantastic, but I see there is 44 days left till spring.

I love my recumbents but I hate to ride them on slippery surfaces such as mud, loose sand/gravel or maybe even snow. Mainly because of the balance. I had two crashes on mud patches because I saw them too late and was not able to stabilize with my legs in time. On an upright bike you can use your legs as counter weight if you start sliding. At least to a certain degree. And with a straight stretched leg on an upright bike you have a better chance and more strength than with a bent leg on a recumbent. Fortunately we don't have snow where I live now. And I avoid gravel where I can and try to ride on pavement only. I really only ride recumbents because of my back problems. They work much better for my back than any upright bike. I am not doing it for speed. Just for comfort. And if we would have snow here in winter I would get a trike for winter to be saver on three wheels.

Slick road surface's will quickly put any 2 wheel bike on the ground so fast you cant do anything about it, recumbent or DF it doesnt matter. Trikes under those conditions are much safer.

I can resonate with this. I have a high school friend, who after years of being a fat slug, finally decided to do something about it and convert to a whole-foods, plant-based lifestyle. I must say that he's very successful at it, but MAN what a pain in the arse he is about it. Constant bragging and holier-than-thou does not even begin to tell the story. So I can see why Rydabent's evangelism can really bug people. I for one am not anti-recumbent, having owned a few myself, but I have yet to find one that speaks to me.

Mine is a 559 rear, 406 front and it took some getting used to the twitchiness of the steering, but now, I see it as being agile. I only wish it were under-seat steering (USS) instead of a tiller, but I don't care enough to try to modify it.

Velos are an entire different beast of recumbent, and I love mine...unless I'm climbing a big hill, since it does weigh 80 lbs. ;)

Well I can speak with experience about BENTS
I have ridden them quite a bit and no matter what style of a bent a person rides
They all have at least one sucky issue or more !
LWBs and SWBs are not stable at slower speeds and riding uphill is a real pain

Tadpole bents have numerous issues
1. I dont like being on eye level with a German Shepherd

2. I dont like being on eye level with the hubcaps of a 4x4 pickup

3. front end width on a tadpole is not conducive to narrow spaces such as a lot of mups

4. visibility is limited both for a rider or a car driver

5. Its real hard to jump a curb or bail off if need be (actually more or less impossible)

6. All bents are a PITA to transport in or on a vehicle compared to a "DF"

And last but not least there are a lot of complaints over on BentRideronline.com
About sore necks ,sore sweaty backs sore butts and numb arms just like on a DF bike
You must just skip past them posts over there ?
Bents are not the living room "sofa" for everybody contrary to what some people claim

I could go on and on but I think I made a few points