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Jeff Wills 02-19-13 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by RChung (Post 15286155)
You know that the Battle Mountain course isn't flat, it's has a (nearly) constant down slope?

Yes, but it slopes slightly upward through the last 3/4 mile and through the time traps, IIRC. There's a small gully and bridge at this point on the BM course.

krobinson103 02-19-13 12:18 AM

Lol that first fairing bought "Yellow submarine" by the beatles to mind.

wphamilton 02-19-13 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by RChung (Post 15289372)
That slope, while small, is what made it possible for me to estimate the CdA of the Varna Diablo.

What did you come up with?

BlazingPedals 02-19-13 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by RChung (Post 15289372)
It took them a long time not because it had a small enough slope (for example, the courses at Moriarty NM and Sattley CA used for USCF TT races are flatter) but because it had the largest possible slope.

Yup - and in addition, they were looking for a place that was at sufficient altitude. There's other possibilities for near-sea-level, but the thinner air is better for high-speed runs.

RChung 02-19-13 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff Wills (Post 15290190)
Yes, but it slopes slightly upward through the last 3/4 mile and through the time traps, IIRC. There's a small gully and bridge at this point on the BM course.

That's interesting. I saw a little "blip" in the slope but I couldn't be sure about it. I'm using speed and power data from two of his runs but at that point he was doing ~ 30 m/sec so my resolution on the slope would be no better than that. He covered the 200 m speed trap in about 6 seconds but I don't see a positive slope through that, nor through the preceding km.


Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 15290773)
What did you come up with?

Well, I don't know the exact air density at Battle Mountain that hour that day (but I have air density from weather stations in Winnemucca and Elko from earlier in the day and later in the evening) so I had to make a guess about that. But given that guess, I got a CdA just a hair under 0.02 m^2.

wphamilton 02-19-13 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by RChung (Post 15291361)
That's interesting. I saw a little "blip" in the slope but I couldn't be sure about it. I'm using speed and power data from two of his runs but at that point he was doing ~ 30 m/sec so my resolution on the slope would be no better than that. He covered the 200 m speed trap in about 6 seconds but I don't see a positive slope through that, nor through the preceding km.



Well, I don't know the exact air density at Battle Mountain that hour that day (but I have air density from weather stations in Winnemucca and Elko from earlier in the day and later in the evening) so I had to make a guess about that. But given that guess, I got a CdA just a hair under 0.02 m^2.

Holy cow, even with a streamline body that must be a tight fit to get it that small!

Jeff Wills 02-19-13 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 15292161)
Holy cow, even with a streamline body that must be a tight fit to get it that small!

Sam's not a large person (5-foot-7, IIRC), and he squeezes into the fairing. I think it's 15 inches at the widest. (My shoulders are 21 inches across- I am not small.)

The view from inside:

cplager 02-20-13 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff Wills (Post 15294431)
Sam's not a large person (5-foot-7, IIRC), and he squeezes into the fairing. I think it's 15 inches at the widest. (My shoulders are 21 inches across- I am not small.)

Not only is he not large, he's also not claustrophobic.

I didn't think I was either until I saw the video... :D

wphamilton 02-20-13 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff Wills (Post 15294431)
Sam's not a large person (5-foot-7, IIRC), and he squeezes into the fairing. I think it's 15 inches at the widest. (My shoulders are 21 inches across- I am not small.)

I'm impressed that Sam could put out that much power scrunched up like that. It looked like his shoulders are hunched forward, hard to breath. It's amazing how much impact a couple of inches narrower makes, more than you'd expect just looking at it casually.

John C. Ratliff 02-21-13 12:06 AM

The main effect of my fairing is to keep the rain off me. I only get wet from my chest up. In crosswinds, it seems to act almost like a wing, and I have to lean into the wind. On downhills, I have hit about 45 mph, which I probably could not hit without the fairing.

John
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76...y/IMG_3975.jpg

jyl 02-26-13 09:19 PM

I gather that a tailbox increases speed as much as, maybe more than, a fairing.

But does that only apply to super-duper custom aero fin type tail boxes?

I see ready-made luggage-type tail boxes like this:
http://www.angletechcycles.com/asset.../aerotrunk.htm

Has anyone a sense of whether these also provide the tailbox aero benefit?

Thanks!

wphamilton 02-26-13 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by jyl (Post 15321384)
I gather that a tailbox increases speed as much as, maybe more than, a fairing.

But does that only apply to super-duper custom aero fin type tail boxes?

I see ready-made luggage-type tail boxes like this:
http://www.angletechcycles.com/asset.../aerotrunk.htm

Has anyone a sense of whether these also provide the tailbox aero benefit?

Thanks!

I take that 2 to 3 mph claim with a grain of salt, and the tailbox will have somewhat less effect than a fairing. Just my opinion fwiw.

Jeff Wills 02-26-13 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by jyl (Post 15321384)
I gather that a tailbox increases speed as much as, maybe more than, a fairing.

But does that only apply to super-duper custom aero fin type tail boxes?

I see ready-made luggage-type tail boxes like this:
http://www.angletechcycles.com/asset.../aerotrunk.htm

Has anyone a sense of whether these also provide the tailbox aero benefit?

Thanks!

Similar, but not identical. A test of the Terracycle tailsocks: http://www.ohpv.org/events/albums/coastdn05/

jyl 02-27-13 12:01 AM

Ah, interesting. I also hunted around BROL and found a coast down test on a V-Rex.

http://www.bentrideronline.com/messa...own+test+V-Rex

The speed at which you have to be going, to get 1 to 3 mph help from these aero aids, seems to be pretty fast. The various coast down tests I'm finding involve 30-40 mph speeds.

RChung 02-27-13 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by jyl (Post 15321856)
Ah, interesting. I also hunted around BROL and found a coast down test on a V-Rex.

http://www.bentrideronline.com/messa...own+test+V-Rex

Ah, yes. There's some good information on roll down testing in that thread.


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