Speaking of BB's, there's a workshop at Bike Chain on thursday on just said subject. I don't know who is leading it. I'm busy so I can't do it.

Quit *****ing and just use your teeth! ;)

But seriously you don't really need one. Pull with fingers, and take up the small amount of slack with the barrel adjuster.

As far as setting up your calipers, just hold the pads to the rim with your fingers, pull the cable tight with fingers and then release (just let the cable sit there). Clamp the cable with pads still on rim. It will back off the perfect amount. Done. Drink beer.

Hey do you mean interms of pre-stretching the cables?

Cause you shouldn't really need much cable tension, your hands will do just fine, and you have barrel adjusters to help too.

Pre-stretching cables is a good idea with new ones. For the brakes, just set up the pads and tignten the cable so the lever is tight and just pump it with your hands a bunch, this will stretch the cable a bit and smush the housing nice and tight against the cable stops. Then you can adjust it to your liking after.

For the derailleurs, set the rear in the higest (smallest) gear and set the shifter to the correct position. Down shift without pedaling, and this will stretch the cable and seat the housing, repeat it a few times. For the front der. put it in the lowest gear and upshift do the same as above.

Helps a lot and the gears wont go out of adjustment on your first ride :)

Only time I use my cable-pull tool is on the front derailer. Its usually fussy to get a good angle and I'm not sure it's even worth the trouble.

How much of a difference in chainline can I have between front and rear on a fixed without problems?

keith> nice ride...who is older, you or the bike?;) the poster is from the keirin grand prix...the top race in all of japan, typically held at the very end of the year and which has a prize purse of ~100,000,000-yen (~$1,000,000). while keirin races is usually held over the course of a day (~10-12 races), the grand prix is a one time, winner-take-all race.

goki> looks like i am here for another year... :eek:

Agreed.

Well there are a few factors here one would depend on the width of the chainring and cog 1/8 or 3/32.

If you are running 1/8 chain ring and 3/32 cog you will be able to get away with a bit more, if running 1/8 and 1/8 then a bit lesss, and 3/32 3/32 the chains usually have a bit more flex so you have a bit more tollerance.

Another factor is how tight your chain is, a loose chain is more accepting of a chain line that is a bit off. You never want it too loose though.

Usually if there is a chain line problem you can hear and or feel it.

I'd say keep it within 3-5mm.

Me and robin was, then I realized I have a midterm... so no idea what's going to happen.

Theres that grammar again!

Only from ebay or can I buy direct at the store?

I ate too many perogies yesterday and was sick today. I guess I should have stopped tasting after the 20th one. I need to develpe some recipes that taste good but wont make me full before my last class. No more carbs this week.

sicknes due to perogie consumption. bravo.

we had a chef last term that carried a spit bucket around when she did tastings. i like the idea; i would chew and swallow the good ones and spit out the crap.

do you have to eat an entire perogie each time?

You're making me sick just thinking about eating all those perogies...

No, but they were so good I felt obligated to eat too many. I tried the spit bucket once, but the kids all thought it ment their food was so bad I had to spit it out no matter how much I told them otherwise.

Couldn't you just like cut a slice and taste that?

I blame very badly translated Korean mmorpgs. :)

Perogies, not pizza.


And they had bacon and cheddar cheese in them, and served with fried onions and sour cream. So so yummy.

just tell them about wine tastings where no matter how good the vintage, it gets religated (sp?) to the spitoon. i took the spitting out personally at first, but i began to understand it after a while, particularly after we had an assignment to make mayonnaise. THAT makes me sick just thinking about eating mayo for an afternoon...

yes, i feel your pain. never say no to a dish served w/ fried onions, bacon and sour cream.

Why I am never teaching themhow to make mayo. Coffee run tomorrow? Taking the day off for mental health reasons. Burned out this week and I'm ready to snap on the students. Not good to throw a pan at one of them which is how I felt last class.

I'd be up for that.

unfortunately, i have to work, surrounded by pans. thursday i'd be in.

yo jer... pm me your email addy! Ill send you some tunes...

I'm going to go with 3/32 front and back 'cause I've already got the chain and ring in that size.

I didn't know I had so much room for error! I put my ring on the inside of the spider last night and now it's within .5mm of the 42mm I have planned for the rear. Eventually I'm going to put a freewheel on the other side of the hub and the freewheel cog is ~1mm farther out. I was worried it wasn't going to work but looks like I'll be fine :)

if you're only half a mm off, i wouldn't worry. you could probably be off by more and still be fine.

The freewheel side can have a more offline chainline than the fixed side.

Tune me in too guy.

ben, did you bet on the grand prix race you went to? i really regret missing it but i really had no time. i stayed a day longer in osaka (JR pass had expired) and had to purchase a full price shinkansen ticket to tokyo! no regrets though ;) another year in wakayama? good, i'll look forward to more onsen in dec/jan haha!