cale

I haven't attacked anyone's character. I wrote of what I'd read. In summary, the same individuals arranging themselves in opposition to disc brakes for road bikes with an admitted disinterest in the technology. You may call that an ad hominem (had to look that up) attack but that sounds like a big exaggeration. I never claimed to be objective. I am, however, fairly well informed of the actual performance of disc brakes on road bikes as I've been riding with this technology for going on three years.

The point of this particular post was to complain about the quality of discussion. If you haven't taken the time to read my comments in this thread that concern performance, I'd suggest you look at posts #4 & 21. Frankly, this thread, with its provocative title, was posted to announce new developments. It is one of many threads where the discussion of disc brakes is either explicitly the subject at hand or peripherally the subject at hand. If you are really that interested in what I think, you could look at my profile and see my latest posts. However, the individuals most consistently aligned against road discs have participated in the other threads. They've read, or chosen not to, my thoughts and remain in opposition to my comments. I don't see any value in beating a dead horse. But I do see value in elevating the quality of discussion.

Why do you insist in using the expression "the fact of the matter"? You make it sound like you're the arbitrator of these matters but you're not so there really aren't any "facts" on you side. I don't care about the speed of riders, what I can about is when they need their brakes will they work as well as possible? Your insistence of the needs of pro rider is unsupported. Why can't they benefit from more consistent and easier to use brakes?

Are you saying that I'm trolling? If so, be honest and tell me why you lump me together with the comments like "you iza clown, derp" or "you da nonsense duh,". Because those aren't my words.

velociraptor

Of course, but which of these two things is less expensive and time consuming – AND – requires absolutely zero technical expertise and specialized tools?:

1. Buy new rim, de-lace wheel, rebuild wheel.

2. Buy new rotor, unbolt old rotor, bolt on new rotor.

(hint: it's not number 1 )

modelmartin

I hate brakes. They slow me down.

Lazyass

And they'll be good for safety because everyone around you will be able to hear the squeal you when you're stopping.

RJM

Yeah, most every experienced cyclist that I've been talking to usually says something like this..."I've never had a problem stopping a modern road bike...why would I want to go disc?"

svtmike

I have two bikes with disc brakes. Neither squeals. I have three with rim brakes. One squeals (carbon rims with SwissStop Black Prince pads). I've heard plenty of other squealing rim brakes.

There is nothing about disc brakes that requires them to squeal.

cale

Ha ha, ha, haha, ha, ha

Give it a break son.

svtmike

As I said, it depends on the application and range of conditions that you want to use the bike in. The experienced cyclists I know understand when discs would be worth the cosmetic and weight tradeoffs.

Lazyass

I don't believe you and that hasn't been my experience or the experience of most disc owners, but cool story.

Lazyass

I can't help myself, junior. This is a drama thread.

svtmike

Lol. It is a truly outlandish story. Nice job seeing through it. You are uncommonly perceptive, but I'm sure you hear that a lot.

Lazyass

Exactly what discs do you have that don't squeal? BB7's or something? I would like to research them.

svtmike

Shimano XT hydraulics on my mountain bike (current gen). Shimano CX75 (cable actuated) on my commuter/cross bike.

I've had Avid BB7 and BB5 on past bikes and hated their feel and had some squealing, but I think that's related more to pad material than anything.

Mr IGH

I have several bikes with discs, none squeek, none of my mountain bike and gravel grinder buds have squeeling discs. "Most disc owners", are you hanging with the short bus crowd? Maybe you need to get out more....

RJM

I'm not going to go with road disc on my next road bike or probably after that, that is mostly because I think they are ugly as hell, my experience with disc brakes has been constant annoyance and the metallic swish, swish, swish that seems to accompany them, and I don't have a problem stopping my road bike....but I'm just going off what people who have more experience racing locally and those who own bike shops have to say on this point.

Of course, a bunch are now getting into gravel racing and would like disc on those bikes, but not on road bikes where they are pacelining in close proximity to others. They just don't see the need for it. They will probably all switch to disc once the TdF has riders using them though.

Lazyass

Yeah, as I figured, a quick internet search shows that owners do have squealing issues with them. I also read your CX75's have been recalled. May want to look into that.

cale

When you go off what others have to say, and I most certainly include myself among the others, you have to weigh that against what you also know.

You know that the evolution of products typically starts with function and evolves with form. (Hence, this is why form-over-function is often derided.) So you know that disc brakes will evolve, that's not a question of if but rather when.

Swish, swish, isn't something I'm familiar with. I have Avid BB7's on my daily rider, a Kinesis Decade Tripster, and have ridden them for three years.

You bring up an interesting point when discussing pacelining. You don't say what would be problematic about pacelining with disc brakes so I'm left to guess what you have in mind. Can you clarify?

People switched to helmet use long before the TdF riders took them up. Those guys don't follow the same path as most riders.

Lazyass

What discs are they, specifically?

cale

It feels more like a tragedy to me.

Son, you're getting a reputation as an agitator. What do you think of that?

svtmike

No doubt they can be installed in such a way that they squeal, just like rim brakes. Thanks for the tip on the 75's -- I'll see if my calipers are included.

Lazyass

How does one install them different so that they don't squeal?

svtmike

If your rotors are out of true you might hear it. Kind of like the non-metallic swish-swish of an out-of-true rim rubbing on a caliper brake.

Lazyass

I don't care, junior. You'll be okay.

svtmike

I don't know; I just installed mine per the instructions and they don't squeal.

Mr IGH

I have six sets of BB7 MTB disc bikes to maintain (mine and my family's bikes), a set of BB7 road and one set of Shimano SLX. My friends have SRAM roadie discs and BB7 road disc, most MTB are running various Shimano MTB disc or Hopes. You're just arguing for the sake of it, nothing you've claimed is true for any rider/LBS with half a clue. Your forum handle is perfect, too lazy to figure it out....