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nemeseri 04-21-15 06:10 PM

Trek recalls nearly 900K bikes for possible crash hazard
 
Wow. Massive.

Official recall:
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/recalls...otice_USEN.pdf

News:
Trek recalls nearly 900K bikes for possible crash hazard | News - Channel3000.com

GlennR 04-21-15 06:13 PM

glad my Emonda doesn't have disc brakes.

RNAV 04-21-15 06:31 PM

So, Trek is apparently trying to fix stupid. I thought that couldn't be done.

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? I mean, I check to ensure my QRs are closed prior to every ride . . . it really is not that hard.

Sy Reene 04-21-15 06:33 PM

Am I misreading.. the recall is to replace the front skewer?

bt 04-21-15 06:36 PM

and so it begins....

welcome to the disc brake era......

bt 04-21-15 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Sy Reene (Post 17739712)
Am I misreading.. the recall is to replace the front skewer?

umm..yea

pretty straight forward.

they will install a new skewer that doesn't open past 180 degrees.

they even drew a picture for ya.

Sy Reene 04-21-15 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by bt (Post 17739719)
umm..yea

pretty straight forward.

they will install a new skewer that doesn't open past 180 degrees.

they even drew a picture for ya.

More importantly found on that webpage (to me anyway) is that the Packers released their 2015 schedule. Nice to see them back playing on Thanksgiving.

OldsCOOL 04-21-15 06:50 PM

Whew. Glad my '86 760 is not on that list.

bt 04-21-15 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by RNAV (Post 17739704)
So, Trek is apparently trying to fix stupid. I thought that couldn't be done.

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? I mean, I check to ensure my QRs are closed prior to every ride . . . it really is not that hard.

i think someone becoming a quadrapalegic, as the article states is far from ridiculous.

merlinextraligh 04-21-15 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by RNAV (Post 17739704)
So, Trek is apparently trying to fix stupid. I thought that couldn't be done.

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? I mean, I check to ensure my QRs are closed prior to every ride . . . it really is not that hard.

But if we assumed people actually knew how to use a QR, we wouldn't have lawyer tabs

merlinextraligh 04-21-15 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by bt (Post 17739747)
i think someone becoming a quadrapalegic, as the article states is far from ridiculous.

For the design to be a problem, you have to be riding the bike with the QR completely open, and in a position where it should be obvious that it could interfere with the brake.

So while the consequences here are significant, it's impossible to engineer against all user error. I understand the dynamics of why Trek would issue the recall, but I think it's an example of our tort system run amok.

GlennR 04-21-15 07:09 PM

Just remember "Stupid should HURT".

RNAV 04-21-15 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by bt (Post 17739747)
i think someone becoming a quadrapalegic, as the article states is far from ridiculous.

Agreed. Someone becoming a quadriplegic is tragic. There's a difference, though, between mechanical failure (which is what most recalls are for) vs. user error. If this recall were due to mechanical failure in qr design, then I would classify that as reasonable. But this recall is being issued to compensate for user error -- and that is ridiculous.

CliffordK 04-21-15 07:13 PM

Dang...
When I read the title, I was hoping to trade my Aluminum Trek 1000 frame for a CF Madone frame :thumb:

I like the photo that accompanies the Channel 3000 article.

http://www.channel3000.com/image/vie...eneric-jpg.jpg

And a bolt on wheel with rim brakes relates to the article... HOW EXACTLY?

Elvo 04-21-15 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 17739771)
For the design to be a problem, you have to be riding the bike with the QR completely open, and in a position where it should be obvious that it could interfere with the brake.

So while the consequences here are significant, it's impossible to engineer against all user error. I understand the dynamics of why Trek would issue the recall, but I think it's an example of our tort system run amok.

Trek should redesign the quick release so that it fails closed or that you lockout/tagout when you open it and require the signed acknowledgement mandatory pre-bike-ride safety checklist before every ride.

colnago62 04-21-15 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by RNAV (Post 17739704)
So, Trek is apparently trying to fix stupid. I thought that couldn't be done.

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? I mean, I check to ensure my QRs are closed prior to every ride . . . it really is not that hard.

The problem Trek has is perceived liability. If Trek gets sued, are they going to be able to convince a jury that the company is not liable. Some years ago, Schwinn was sued for not adequately warning that reflectors are not considered sufficient safety equipment for riding at night. They lost.

hueyhoolihan 04-21-15 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by RNAV (Post 17739704)
So, Trek is apparently trying to fix stupid. I thought that couldn't be done.

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? I mean, I check to ensure my QRs are closed prior to every ride . . . it really is not that hard.

really, i tripped over my shoelaces the other day and i wasn't wearing my helmet, i think i'll sue the helmet maker for something or other... :)

CliffordK 04-21-15 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RNAV (Post 17739776)
Agreed. Someone becoming a quadriplegic is tragic. There's a difference, though, between mechanical failure (which is what most recalls are for) vs. user error. If this recall were due to mechanical failure in qr design, then I would classify that as reasonable. But this recall is being issued to compensate for user error -- and that is ridiculous.

I disagree... The QR shouldn't go into the spokes or disc brake EVER.

Does anybody have one of the Trek QRs with Disc brakes?

I checked several of my QR levers. Most of them don't go significantly past 180 degrees on open or close, and would not be a problem.

EXCEPT ONE.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=446538

This is an external cam QR, that will enter the disc when LOCKED. That may be beyond the tight spot, but it just looks plain wicked to me.
Imagine riding along and bumping your skewer... and suddenly finding yourself doing a face-plant.:bike2:

No doubt the replacement part only costs Trek $1 or $2 (plus the coupon they've added which probably comes at a discount off of face value).

One solution, of course, is to put the lever on the opposite side as the disc, at least on the front wheel. But I would welcome the replacement skewer.

intransit1217 04-21-15 08:04 PM

Gawd. I got the e-mail, went out to look at mine. It comes close. But for the lever to actually enter the spokes of the disk, the wheel would have to be cocked enough to cause handling problems. At least on mine. But I suppose there are hundreds of different levers out there.

350htrr 04-21-15 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by oldnslow2 (Post 17739775)
Just remember "Stupid should HURT".


Originally Posted by RNAV (Post 17739704)
So, Trek is apparently trying to fix stupid. I thought that couldn't be done.

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? I mean, I check to ensure my QRs are closed prior to every ride . . . it really is not that hard.

Too many lawyers Trying to make a living I guess...

Bunyanderman 04-21-15 08:38 PM

"Trek recalls nearly 900k front skewers for possible crash hazard"

Can we get a title fix?

gsa103 04-21-15 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 17739771)
For the design to be a problem, you have to be riding the bike with the QR completely open, and in a position where it should be obvious that it could interfere with the brake.

So while the consequences here are significant, it's impossible to engineer against all user error. I understand the dynamics of why Trek would issue the recall, but I think it's an example of our tort system run amok.

The real problem is a loose or partially open QR, which fully opens when you hit a significant jolt. I'm guessing that's why a significant injury occured, jump a curb and BAM! I will add a second vote for through axles and disc brakes, they're just better.

tumbalacasa 04-21-15 08:48 PM

Trek recalls about 900-thousand bicycles


This is the reason why all disc brake Road bikes need through axles!

Jax Rhapsody 04-21-15 09:19 PM

When a simpler fix is to put the lever on the side without the disk.

Jax Rhapsody 04-21-15 09:23 PM

I guess I was late with the idea, so I'll add; it looks better, I never run the lever on the same side as the disk.


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