dtrain

Here's one discussion. It doesn't directly compare/contrast the xc279 vs. the SL23...they are in a group comparison. IDK if GuitarBob was referring to this article or something else.

https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/reviews...y-rim-roundup/

dtrain

+1 on the CX-Ray spokes over Race if you go with the BDop build kit. I'm not sure what the weight difference will be - but his site isn't quite right - the CX-Rays would result in a lighter wheel.

rpenmanparker 

Yeah, you're right, but they are both too heavy for me. What's the use of splitting hairs?

rpenmanparker 

I read the two "reviews" and find no evidence that the Kinlin is considered inferior to the Pacenti. The marginal extra width of the Pacenti is pretty minor if important at all. I think you would have to assume inferiority based on lower price to get to that conclusion. The extra weight of the Kinlin can be easily assigned to the extra depth which is actually a plus for the Kinlin. The reviewer isn't significantly more complimentary to one of the rims than to the other. IMO.

dr_lha

Then you'll be glad to know that for 2015 they made the Pacentis 0.5mm wider!

dtrain

Another 'indirect' comparison:
Rim Review - WheelBuilder.org


This one reflects a little more difference in the opinion of the reviewer. But it also seems a little odd as they talk of issues (like pulsing) that they heard about even if they weren't present in the actual test rims they were reviewing.

GuitarBob

This is going well. I don't care about Fairwheel, per se, I merely offered them up as a reputable source that might conflict with your suggestion to "Go with the BHS XC 279 Kinlins, not the Pacentis." That's all.

Do the Pacentis cost more? Yes.

I'm out :-)

rpenmanparker 

Still the same category. No big difference.

rpenmanparker 

I thought it was a good discussion as well.

hueyhoolihan

i doubt if there is much to choose between them, so i'd go on price alone. that means the bdop with round, not bladed, spokes.

Edonis13

my 24f/28r CX-Ray BDop wheels weigh in at 1580 grams.

mooder

Nice! I will definitively get them as well. I can't wait to try it already!

loimpact

What about Kinlin 31T's??

And what about some good hubs like White T11's???

mooder

Yea I will definitively grab some T11 when I will save enough for a carbon wheelset!

BoSoxYacht

I haven't had the time to look at the actual tensions of wheels, but unless you use triplet lacing, using BHS hubs will result in very low NDS tensions. I've used BHS hubs with traditional lacing and triplet lacing, and had good results when triplet laced.

With Novatec hubs triplet lacing is unnecessary, and from my experience the resulting wheel is noticeably stiffer laterally.

I'm not trying to insult you in any way, but I feel that using Novatec hubs with 2x lacing results in a more laterally stiff wheel, and broken spoke won't end your ride. If you ever break a NDS spoke on a triplet laced wheel, you'll be walking to the next shop.

deacon mark

I built my BDOP wheels 24-28 in about September they have about 3200 miles and roll perfect. I am not sure of the weight but nice not too light but light enough. The Kinlin rims where really nice and I really like the novatec hubs they spin really smooth. I have never touch the wheel since I built it has been true as the day I built it. I don't build lots of wheels but take my time and stress relieve all through the process. I cannot image another set of wheels for the money that would be as good. Frankly buy the kit and have someone build them for you if you cannot.

I have a set of Ritchey Protocols only my other bike that are 20-24 and really nice I thought they were pretty light but the BDOP as maybe even lighter. In any case I like the Kinlin rims better than the Velocity I have used in the past even with the Offset rear. I personally think all rear wheels should be offset but the kinlins have made me a believer that it is ok not to have them.

rpenmanparker 

What is so good about White T11s? The bling?

mooder

Great that's really good to hear!

Think you got it right. Some people say they are more reliable than any other hub. I don't know how true it is.

rpenmanparker 

I don't know what reliable means re: hubs. In 32 years of road riding and close to 100,000 miles on a wide variety of hub types and prices, I have never had any kind of hub failure. At 4 times the price for blingy hubs, the economics just don't compute. When you buy BHS or Novstec hubs for 1/4 the price, it is like you are self-insured for free.

RollCNY

In 5 years of riding, I destroyed an Easton hub (really just split the freehub), roached two sets of bearings in Soma Somax hubs (NY winters), and bent the axle in the same hub. Not saying it pertains to either BHS or Novatec hubs, but it does mean that there is a reachable low end on hub quality (or it says that I am really hard on ****).

dr_lha

The one thing I will say in favor of White T11s is the use of the titanium free hub body means no cassette gouging. I had real issues with gouging with Novatec hubs (no "ABG") , and really hate having to deal with gouging issues. That said, I can't afford T11s so I just use Shimano hubs instead that don't use aluminum. This is why I would never boy something like a Chris King hub, spend all that money and still have to deal with an aluminum free hub?

Edit: and no, I can't afford one of those awesome SRAM red cassettes either!

rpenmanparker 

I'm telling you that the published dimensions for the latest BHS hubs suggest they will have a better NDS/DS tension ratio when laced 2X than Novatecs. But even if you were to choose triplet lacing anyway, the result of a broken spoke needn't cause a problem. I carry a spoke wrench and am confident that a rideable wheel can be maintained even so. The stiffness issue with triplet is real, but I don't see the problem. It works fine for me. It's okay to disagree about this. I respect your opinion.

rpenmanparker 

Think how many aluminum freehubs you can buy for the cost difference.

dr_lha

Sure, but I'd rather not deal with it at all, which is why I use Shimano. For my next wheelset I'm tempted to try the Novatecs with the ABG insert. It's a shame that none of the BHS hubs have that feature.

rpenmanparker 

Sure. As a user of SRAM Red cassettes, I don't have a problem with it.