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Is Ultegra the top notch Shimano groupset ?

Old 05-13-15, 04:34 AM
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Is Ultegra the top notch Shimano groupset ?

Thinking of buying an S-WORKS frameset and building a bike.

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Old 05-13-15, 04:40 AM
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Ultegra is very good but obviously Dura-Ace is better.
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ah so ...
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Not a SRAM fan.
You're loss.
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It depends. Dura-Ace is the flagship Shimano group but there are sometimes reasons one would pick Ultegra or parts of Ultegra over Dura-Ace. The main difference is actually found in weight. Dura-Ace components are lighter. But sometimes that translates into less durable. In the past (don't know about current), the D-A bottom brackets had a shorter average lifespan than Ultegra. It used to be that Dura-Ace shifted noticeably better than Ultegra but in recent years and with the latest incarnations, pretty much everyone (including myself) will claim that their shifting performance is on par. Also, there are certain things you can get in Ultegra that you can't with Dura-Ace. For instance, if you want to run really low gearing, you have to go with an Ultegra RD (GS) and cassette since D-A stops at 28T whereas Ultegra will go to 34T.

I recently upgraded my bike from 2001 9-speed Dura-Ace with FSA cranks to a primarily 11-speed Ultegra Di2 group with Dura-Ace shifters and an FSA crank/BB combo. Even though I "stepped down" a notch, my bike with Ultegra actually weighs less than it did with the 9-speed D-A group due to advancements in technology, material and design.
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New build I would go Di2
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Originally Posted by v70cat View Post
New build I would go Di2
Seconded... unless you have some deep-down aversion towards electronics....

Just as something to consider... Ultegra Di2 costs about the same as Dura-Ace Mechanical.
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Originally Posted by v70cat View Post
New build I would go Di2
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Seconded... unless you have some deep-down aversion towards electronics....

Just as something to consider... Ultegra Di2 costs about the same as Dura-Ace Mechanical.
Just so long as you make sure to spend a good day reading on compatibility issues....and you're prepared to need a few graduate degrees in order to mess with the firmware in the future.

Granted almost all gadget companies make decent hardware these days and screw up the software....But Shimano really f'd up their firmware support toolset.
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From reading a previous thread the OP stated he has been going to the same LBS for over ten years and now he is asking the forum is Ultegra the top Shimano groupset. Am I the only one that finds that odd? I researched groupsets before I ever bought my first bike.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Just so long as you make sure to spend a good day reading on compatibility issues....and you're prepared to need a few graduate degrees in order to mess with the firmware in the future.

Granted almost all gadget companies make decent hardware these days and screw up the software....But Shimano really f'd up their firmware support toolset.
If you're doing a greenfield build and update everything to the latest firmware then there shouldn't be any issues. Granted the firmware situation gets muddier if you're going from 10-sp to 11-sp and you're mixing 6770 and 6870 series components. Still, it's not all that complicated.
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Honestly I'd be happy with Ultegra on a new bike in any form. Decades ago when I built my bike, there was a noticeable shifting difference between DA and Ultegra, but even with my 9-speed stuff, the 105 on my spare bike and the DA on my main bike are very similar. Probably better to put that money into a decent pair of wheels.
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From reading a previous thread the OP stated he has been going to the same LBS for over ten years and now he is asking the forum is Ultegra the top Shimano groupset. Am I the only one that finds that odd? I researched groupsets before I ever bought my first bike.
He also rides 200 miles a week as a *cough* "Clydesdale", all the mileage he racks up has given him a "longer stroke", does MMA training, has a gymnast girlfriend, has a masseuse, a saddle nose down 10 degrees, raised his saddle multiple times but says he was fitted at the shop, a pump mounted on the right side, flipped his stem for a more aggressive position at 40+mph, flipping his stem put him in a "runners starting line position", says flipping his stem soaked up road vibrations.........
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He also rides 200 miles a week as a *cough* "Clydesdale", all the mileage he racks up has given him a "longer stroke", does MMA training, has a gymnast girlfriend, has a masseuse, a saddle nose down 10 degrees, raised his saddle multiple times but says he was fitted at the shop, a pump mounted on the right side, flipped his stem for a more aggressive position at 40+mph, flipping his stem put him in a "runners starting line position", says flipping his stem soaked up road vibrations.........
We should be asking the OP for lifestyle advice,
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I ride Ultegra Di2 and love it, sure DA is the top line stuff but unless you're bleeding $$$ out of your pockets and need the lightest bike the shifting performance will be pretty much the same. I would only consider DA components if I found them on sale and only after my Ultegra components decide to wear out.
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I have 10 speed Dura-Ace and 10 speed Ultegra on two different bikes. Not delighted with either although not horrible. Ultegra is heavy and the reliability is questionable from my experience with it.

Put SRAM Red 22 on two bikes. Quicker shifting and much more intuitive shifting and the FD on the Red requires no trimming.
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Originally Posted by v70cat View Post
New build I would go Di2
Originally Posted by khuon View Post
Seconded... unless you have some deep-down aversion towards electronics....

Just as something to consider... Ultegra Di2 costs about the same as Dura-Ace Mechanical.
+1 agree.

Originally Posted by khuon View Post
If you're doing a greenfield build and update everything to the latest firmware then there shouldn't be any issues. Granted the firmware situation gets muddier if you're going from 10-sp to 11-sp and you're mixing 6770 and 6870 series components. Still, it's not all that complicated.
Straightforward for sure.

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Just so long as you make sure to spend a good day reading on compatibility issues....and you're prepared to need a few graduate degrees in order to mess with the firmware in the future.
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Not true. Pretty straightforward.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Just so long as you make sure to spend a good day reading on compatibility issues....and you're prepared to need a few graduate degrees in order to mess with the firmware in the future.

Granted almost all gadget companies make decent hardware these days and screw up the software....But Shimano really f'd up their firmware support toolset.
Huh? I'm a guy who has to ask one of my kids for help programing the coffee maker, but I've been running Di2 for a year and a half now. Once every couple of months, when I'm charging my lights, I plug the Di2 j box into the pc, it tells me if there are updates available, I select them and voila. In the meantime, I can't point to a single malfunction in the system, hardware, firmware or software related, in more than 10,000 miles of riding in every type of conditions imaginable.

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He also rides 200 miles a week as a *cough* "Clydesdale", all the mileage he racks up has given him a "longer stroke", does MMA training, has a gymnast girlfriend, has a masseuse, a saddle nose down 10 degrees, raised his saddle multiple times but says he was fitted at the shop, a pump mounted on the right side, flipped his stem for a more aggressive position at 40+mph, flipping his stem put him in a "runners starting line position", says flipping his stem soaked up road vibrations.........
Yeah, I'm thinking Tiagra 10 is more his speed.
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It goes: Sora > 105 > Claris > Dura-Ace > Tiagra > Ultegra

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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
He also rides 200 miles a week as a *cough* "Clydesdale", all the mileage he racks up has given him a "longer stroke", does MMA training, has a gymnast girlfriend, has a masseuse, a saddle nose down 10 degrees, raised his saddle multiple times but says he was fitted at the shop, a pump mounted on the right side, flipped his stem for a more aggressive position at 40+mph, flipping his stem put him in a "runners starting line position", says flipping his stem soaked up road vibrations.........
There's no need to be such a giant ****head about it.
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Rather than buy another factory bike i will prolly buy an S-works frame set and have my tech build me a bike.


Basically because i need beefier components.

Ive already talked with him about it.
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Your "Master Tech"?
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What's wrong with your 2015 Tarmac Elite?
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I have no idea what to make of this thread. It smells of troll.
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What's wrong with your 2015 Tarmac Elite?
Nothing just thinking ahead.

I want an S-WORKS ...
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