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Cannondale Synapse Tiagra Disc 6 (2015) or Giant Canada Defy 1 (2015 or 2014)?

Old 05-16-15, 09:51 PM
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Cannondale Synapse Tiagra Disc 6 (2015) or Giant Canada Defy 1 (2015 or 2014)?

So I've visited two local bike stores and it's been an interesting experience so far, especially the discussions with salesmen.

To summarize, Cannondale has disc brakes on front and rear wheels which is a new technology that's been out for 2 years apparently. Synapse has number gear shift indicator levels, and defy doesn't. I've been told that with number indicators levels (easy/hard levels) they often break down.

Synapse has Tiagra, and Giant Defy 1 has 105. So clearly, 105 is better than Tiagra, right?

Giant Canada Defy 1 has no disc brakes, just traditional rim brakes. What concerns me is that what if rim brakes get tilted, like becoming asymmetrical sooner or later? Should I pick based on type of brakes, or shimano type?

So I'm kind of torn between two, and I'd appreciate if you could help out to pick which one and why.

Here are the bicycles I'm referring to:

Synapse Tiagra Disc 6 - Bowcycle

or

Giant Canada Defy 1 - www.ridleys.com
Giant Canada Defy 1 - www.ridleys.com

They both share similar prices, and this is my first purchase, so I'm kind of picky about it lol thanks guys.
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So far I do not use gear position indicators, they are there but I go by sound and feel, and speed too, I know as I ge faster than 17-18 I am getting into big ring category :-).

Riding 105 and Tiagra both ten speed eyes closed, no huge difference. The 11 speed 105 means your spare wheels you build or buy will maybe work on the bike you replace your first bike with :-).

A rim brake bike when you decide to build and or buy a spare wheel or wheels the rim brakes will make finding wheels wayyyyyyy simpler, my bike is 9 speed Sora and disk......my spare rear wheel I built, and the front I will build will sort of be dead ended with that bike. Disks not only dictate disk hubs, they dictate wheel lacing patterns and spoke selection.

It is fun to screw yourself into the ground finding the perfect first bike, but just realize for most folks it will be a short romance , soon traded off, or set aside for crappy weather days and on to the second bike :-). How the shop us where your buying (if they come from two different dealers) is way more important than the exact shop. The shop 8 miles away won out on geography and general attitude in my case.

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So far I do not use gear position indicators, they are there but I go by sound and feel, and speed too, I know as I ge faster than 17-18 I am getting into big ring category :-).

Riding 105 and Tiagra both ten speed eyes closed, no huge difference. The 11 speed 105 means your spare wheels you build or buy will maybe work on the bike you replace your first bike with :-).

A rim brake bike when you decide to build and or buy a spare wheel or wheels the rim brakes will make finding wheels wayyyyyyy simpler, my bike is 9 speed Sora and disk......my spare rear wheel I built, and the front I will build will sort of be dead ended with that bike. Disks not only dictate disk hubs, they dictate wheel lacing patterns and spoke selection.

It is fun to screw yourself into the ground finding the perfect first bike, but just realize for most folks it will be a short romance , soon traded off, or set aside for crappy weather days and on to the second bike :-). How the shop us where your buying (if they come from two different dealers) is way more important than the exact shop. The shop 8 miles away won out on geography and general attitude in my case.
Oh really, it's easier to replace spare wheels with rim brakes, than with disks, in case of emergency for example? That's a very good point, did not think of that thanks. What about the year models on Giant Defy? Is there a very little difference, because it seems like it to me. Sorry if I'm asking too many questions, I'm fairly new to the world of cycling!

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Old 05-17-15, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by marcusx View Post
So I've visited two local bike stores and it's been an interesting experience so far, especially the discussions with salesmen.

To summarize, Cannondale has disc brakes on front and rear wheels which is a new technology that's been out for 2 years apparently. Synapse has number gear shift indicator levels, and defy doesn't. I've been told that with number indicators levels (easy/hard levels) they often break down.

Synapse has Tiagra, and Giant Defy 1 has 105. So clearly, 105 is better than Tiagra, right?

Giant Canada Defy 1 has no disc brakes, just traditional rim brakes. What concerns me is that what if rim brakes get tilted, like becoming asymmetrical sooner or later? Should I pick based on type of brakes, or shimano type?

So I'm kind of torn between two, and I'd appreciate if you could help out to pick which one and why.

Here are the bicycles I'm referring to:

Synapse Tiagra Disc 6 - Bowcycle

or

Giant Canada Defy 1 - www.ridleys.com
Giant Canada Defy 1 - www.ridleys.com

They both share similar prices, and this is my first purchase, so I'm kind of picky about it lol thanks guys.
I don't want to turn this thread into a disc brake debate thread, BUT I myself started using them on a 2014 synapse myself and will never look back. They work wonderfully - way more stopping power in general, especially in the rain. It's actually irritating riding my specialized with regular old rim brakes now.

Disc brakes for the win IMO.
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Originally Posted by seanpatrick76 View Post
I don't want to turn this thread into a disc brake debate thread, BUT I myself started using them on a 2014 synapse myself and will never look back. They work wonderfully - way more stopping power in general, especially in the rain. It's actually irritating riding my specialized with regular old rim brakes now.

Disc brakes for the win IMO.
Yeah I guess disc brakes would be perfect if you expect to ride in dirt and such. Giant seems to have a better deal and better value.
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The Cannondale has carbon fork and Giant doesn't, but does that really matter anyway?
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Disc brakes are NOT relegated to riding in the dirt, they're ideal for all kinds of weather and surfaces. More and more professional races are allowing disc brakes, with more and more riders using them. They are better in almost every situation.

That being said if you'd prefer the 105's over the Tiagra and the look of the Defy over the Synapse then go for it. But you owe it to yourself to at least *test* both bikes out first.
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Oh yeah regarding testing, I guess I would need to buy it with receipt to keep, in order to test it and see if it's comfortable? I wonder what's the return policy...
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Originally Posted by marcusx View Post
Oh yeah regarding testing, I guess I would need to buy it with receipt to keep, in order to test it and see if it's comfortable? I wonder what's the return policy...
You shouldn't have to buy a bike just to test it. Should be able to go in and ask to test ride them. Every place I've been to has been more than happy to let me test ride a bike.
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Test ride both....take it on a few rides alternate both and see what feels better to you, I don't care for disk, and the difference between the Tiagra and 105 is minimal at best from what I hear here...
if the shop won't kept you test ride, go elsewhere IMHO.
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Disk brakes work great IMHO, even mechanical ones (hydraulic are seen as "better").

On the 105 stuff this year was the first year for 11 speed...that is "6800" series 105, and the 10 speed one is "5800" maybe ?? Between 5800 105 and Tiagra the brake cables are buried under the bar tape on the 5800 105, exposed on the Tiagra.

Honestly there is not a thing wrong with my Sora equipped bike...once I got it dialed in it shifts just fine, I cannot think of a thing except 1-2 more rear cogs that Tiagra, 5800 105 or 6800 105 would be giving me right now, and maybe forward compatibility of stuff like cassettes, wheels, and chains to bike number 2 (looking at them to buy in October). I think for the $500 trade value right now anyway I will keep Bike #1 as a rain bike. At that shop it holds that $500 value pretty much forever as long as it has not been backed over by a dump truck.

But yea as far as wheels go you can walk into Performance Bike and grab a pair of 8,9,10 speed wheels for a rim brake bike cash and carry (all kinds of debate on how good they would be hehe) not so true of disk brake wheels, that will change SOME but not today.

I used a rim brake rim to build my spare rear wheel, and will for the front wheel I build too, it has a machined brake track, the disk rims can be ordered with unmachined brake tracks, but are a little heavier (if 10-12 grams of rotating weight matter to you).

It is all fun to compare, and every buyer does, but it will only be puppy love anyway and you will be on to bike number two before long I bet ;-).



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Thanks for your input, Bill.

Okay so I think I'm over the disc vs rim brake debate in my head now, and what also worries me, Giant doesn't have carbon fork like synapse does, is it that important?

As you probably know that I'm new at this -- I'm not sure how I would manage without gear numbers indicators. So you move the black bar, that means higher gear (harder)? And the longer bar, lower? I'd probably have to ask the store to lecture me on this lol
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Originally Posted by Notgrownup View Post
Test ride both....take it on a few rides alternate both and see what feels better to you, I don't care for disk, and the difference between the Tiagra and 105 is minimal at best from what I hear here...
if the shop won't kept you test ride, go elsewhere IMHO.
Yeah I was not sure if I could ask for a test ride, but I did kinda test ride the one bike in store upstairs on floor, but not on road.
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I would go with the Giant. 5800 is miles better than 10 speed Tiagra and rim brakes are a better design choice for you.
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Originally Posted by marcusx View Post
Thanks for your input, Bill.

Okay so I think I'm over the disc vs rim brake debate in my head now, and what also worries me, Giant doesn't have carbon fork like synapse does, is it that important?

As you probably know that I'm new at this -- I'm not sure how I would manage without gear numbers indicators. So you move the black bar, that means higher gear (harder)? And the longer bar, lower? I'd probably have to ask the store to lecture me on this lol
You sure about that? Pretty sure it does.
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You sure about that? Pretty sure it does.
I re-read again, seems like it was worded differently. My mistake.
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I would go with the Giant. 5800 is miles better than 10 speed Tiagra and rim brakes are a better design choice for you.
I was thinking the same thing. Thanks!
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I would go with the Giant. 5800 is miles better than 10 speed Tiagra and rim brakes are a better design choice for you.
Another question. Do you think I should get pedals with straps? I already have nice running shoes so I think clipless pedals + shoes are out of the consideration. And regarding helmet, etc., I'll probably buy one online or big box store like walmart.
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Another question. Do you think I should get pedals with straps? I already have nice running shoes so I think clipless pedals + shoes are out of the consideration. And regarding helmet, etc., I'll probably buy one online or big box store like walmart.
Running shoes suck for cycling. Consider trying cycling shoes with clipless pedals.

You can buy your helmet anyplace, but if you are buying your first helmet in a long time, it might make sense to buy locally so you find one that fits.
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I don't ride bikes unless I'm using clipless pedals. Clips are a pain and using platforms I just rage quit. I even custom made a pair of Lowa Renegade gtx hiking boots with recessed cleats so I'd have an option for regular shoes to use after I parked my bike.

Some people can do clips and running shoes. It's cheap enough, might as well give it a try. But cycling specific shoes and pedals are under a Benjamin.
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