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Does Titanium soak up as much road vibe as Carbon composite ?

Old 05-17-15, 08:06 PM
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Does Titanium soak up as much road vibe as Carbon composite ?




Several of my friends have Titanium bikes, what are the pro's & con's compared to Carbon ?

Which is stronger and will last longer ?
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Next you should ask about the finer points of campy and shimano.

Did anyone else notice the bora wheels on a shimano bike?

Really they're both great materials, depends on your application as to if there is a pro or con, let the games begin though.
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OP: Start by asking your friends why they have a carbon fork on their Ti bike.
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I saw one TREK Titanium that had carbon seat stays, post & a carbon fork ...
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Originally Posted by CNC2204 View Post
Several of my friends have Titanium bikes, what are the pro's & con's compared to Carbon ?

Which is stronger and will last longer ?
Both are equally strong on the road so long as you don't wreck or bang anything into it....the frameset gets banged with something the wrong way and crack goes the 12lb plastic-wunderbike that cost more than your car, meanwhile the Ti bike will more likely be just fine.




Also Ti is simply faster and more sexy. This has been studied and proven by the FDA

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OP: Start by asking your friends why they have a carbon fork on their Ti bike.
Cheaper and easier to mass produce and resell at a profit.
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If anything it would be to ensure a stiff and sure handling front end. Steel bikes do this regularly (although there's a significant weight loss there as well)
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CROSS-POST from the other recent Ti thread. Im feeling

"UCI articles 1.3.006 to 1.3.010: The bicycle must be accessible to all participants. It must be marketed (i.e. available for sale on the market). Prototypes and the use of equipment specially designed for a particular athlete, event or performance is prohibited.

I believe this is one of the main reasons we dont see Titanium in the pro tour and thus most people believe more in Carbon. Think about it, good Ti makes less profit than Carbon and thus not worth to be marketed like it....

I had many carbon bikes and now I tried Ti, I will never look back.
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Now, regarding the question from the OP, I think carbon soaks vibrations more, there I said it... as it also soaks the good vibrations that make you feel incredibly connected to the road.
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I want to hear more about the Ti Trek.
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Originally Posted by CNC2204 View Post
Several of my friends have Titanium bikes, what are the pro's & con's compared to Carbon ?
You can retrofit couplers for travel and there's no paint to ding. OTOH, you can make a 750g carbon frame while light titanium frames weigh 900g (the Litespeed Ghisallo).

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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
You can retrofit couplers for travel and there's no paint to ding. OTOH, you can make a 750g carbon frame while light titanium frames weigh 900g (the Litespeed Ghisallo).
Only time 1/2 a pound matters on a bicycle frame is if you're lugging it up 12 flights of stairs.
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Originally Posted by GuyDebord View Post
I believe this is one of the main reasons we dont see Titanium in the pro tour and thus most people believe more in Carbon. Think about it, good Ti makes less profit than Carbon and thus not worth to be marketed like it....
That never stopped anyone from using steel bikes why should it apply to titanium?
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The answer is very simple. No. Titanium is an elastic material. It doesn't soak up anything. It does make that vibration quite bearable though, often not an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by akansaskid View Post
OP: Start by asking your friends why they have a carbon fork on their Ti bike.
I have two ti bikes, both with steel forks. Both sweet rides. (And steel also does not absorb vibration. Another elastic material.)

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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
That never stopped anyone from using steel bikes why should it apply to titanium?
Top quality Ti tubing [Aerospace grade 3Al/2.5V or 6Al/4V cold worked stress relieved (CWSR)] is more expensive than steel to source, to cut, to machine, to form and to weld.
And yes, with the exception of exotic steel alloys, which are in the same camp.

Carbon has become way cheaper to mass produce than it used to, thus more $$$$ for the manufacturers, a good metal frame is tough to mass produce, it still relies on highly specialized human labor and the rising price of metal commodities...
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Originally Posted by GuyDebord View Post
Top quality Ti tubing [Aerospace grade 3Al/2.5V or 6Al/4V cold worked stress relieved (CWSR)] is more expensive than steel to source, to cut, to machine, to form and to weld.
And yes, with the exception of exotic steel alloys, which are in the same camp.

Carbon has become way cheaper to mass produce than it used to, thus more $$$$ for the manufacturers, a good metal frame is tough to mass produce, it still relies on highly specialized human labor and the rising price of metal commodities...
Why can't production be automated? Seems like a simple job for a robot.
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Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
Did you know that:

  • Aluminum frames have a harsh ride?
  • Titanium frames are soft and whippy?
  • Steel frames go soft with age, but they have a nicer ride quality?
  • England's Queen Elizabeth is a kingpin of the international drug trade?
All of the above statements are equally false.There is an amazing amount of folkloric "conventional wisdom" about bicycle frames and materials that is widely disseminated, but has no basis in fact.The reality is that you can make a good bike frame out of any of these metals, with any desired riding qualities, by selecting appropriate tubing diameters, wall thicknesses and frame geometry.


Frame Materials for the Touring Cyclist

/thread

ETA - for those of you wondering why carbon bikes seem to absorb road buzz relatively well - this has to do with interlaminar shear in part.
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I want to hear more about the Ti Trek.
Trek would never make a Ti bike because they warranty their bikes for the lifetime of the owner, not the lifetime of a titanium tube.
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Originally Posted by znomit View Post
Trek would never make a Ti bike because they warranty their bikes for the lifetime of the owner, not the lifetime of a titanium tube.
I have ridden both and cannot tell the difference. Reducing tire pressure is the best way to get a more cushioned ride. Being a clyde I felt the titanium bike had a bit more flex in the BB area. With the Carbon bike it's a bit more stiff in the BB area to me and I feel I get better acceleration and more power transfer to the road...of course it just feels that way, I'm not sure if it's true. But I don't like a lot of flex in the frame so I probably won't get titanium again. Same goes with steel, I feel a bit of a noodle effect when hammering, so I'm sold on carbon just for that alone...
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Originally Posted by CNC2204 View Post
I saw one TREK Titanium that had carbon seat stays, post & a carbon fork ...
No you didn't. That's yet another of your tall tales. You've got quite a list in your short time here.
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Its the tires!

IMHO, the majority of a bike’s “feel” or ride characteristics come from the tires and tire pressure. With that said, while riding on chip seal or coarse asphalt, it has been my experience that Ti (and steel) does a better job of dampening vibration than carbon or aluminum.
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The problem with titanium is that it emits small amounts of potentially harmful gamma radiation from any scratches, so it has to be either painted or polished regularly. Riders of titanium frames have a higher incidence of ED because of this.

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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
No you didn't. That's yet another of your tall tales. You've got quite a list in your short time here.



Then it musta been AL i asked the rider and he said he didn't know but it looked like all the brushed Ti frames ive seen.

Did TREK make a brushed AL frame with carbon seat stays, post & fork ?

I know it was TREK cuz it had a hologram of Lance Armstrongs penis on it ...

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