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Buying My First Tire. Options?

Old 05-19-15, 02:15 PM
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Buying My First Tire. Options?

Hello Folks,

Buying my first set of tires as my tires are pretty worn now. Out of the options below, which one should I go for?

Continental Grand Prix 4000S II 700c Road Tire

Michelin Pro4 Endurance 700x23 Road Tire

Michelin Krylion Carbon Road Tire

Continental Gatorskin Wire Road Tire

Continental Gatorskin Folding Road Tire

Vittoria Rubino Pro Slick Road Tire



I'm looking for durability. The Continental GrandPre looks nice but its a bit steep. The Krylion might be the winner. Of course this is going off looks. I have no idea what to buy.
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Originally Posted by dippitydoo View Post

Michelin Krylion Carbon Road Tire

I'm looking for durability.
Get the Krylion. Pretty light, they roll smooth. I just pulled a set off at 3300 miles, not a single flat and they still have life left (I put them on my rain bike). Never got that kind of mileage out of a tire nor ever went that long flat free. I've had more different tires than I'll ever remember but I'll buy nothing but Krylion again.

Don't know about the 23's but the 25's do run large. Closer to 27c actually.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
Get the Krylion. Pretty light, they roll smooth. I just pulled a set off at 3300 miles, not a single flat and they still have life left (I put them on my rain bike). Never got that kind of mileage out of a tire nor ever went that long flat free. I've had more different tires than I'll ever remember but I'll buy nothing but Krylion again.

Don't know about the 23's but the 25's do run large. Closer to 27c actually.
Currently I'm running cheap schwalbe lugano 25. Do you rec getting 23's for the Krylion?
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Originally Posted by dippitydoo View Post
Hello Folks,

Buying my first set of tires as my tires are pretty worn now. Out of the options below, which one should I go for?

Continental Grand Prix 4000S II 700c Road Tire

Michelin Pro4 Endurance 700x23 Road Tire
If you want many miles on the road and puncture resistance, you have the first two listed in order of best choice and second best choice.
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If you go with GP 4000s, don't buy them at Performance. You'll save almost half from Ribble or Wiggle or some other UK store.
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Now Im a bit confused. I thought the GP4000 were race tires which meant race tires = lighter = shorter life span?

I might go down to running 23's though as I hear that some tires can extend larger than the advertised size (thanks lazyass for the info!)

Can anybody recommend come good tubes?

Lightness + durability would be preferable but I hold durability in higher regard than lightness if I had to choose one.
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I've been using them for 4 years. Got my first flat, a pinch flat, 2 weeks ago after 6800 miles.
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Originally Posted by dippitydoo View Post
Currently I'm running cheap schwalbe lugano 25. Do you rec getting 23's for the Krylion?
It's up to you, I don't know how much clearance your bike has. I tried to put them on my '92 Paramount but the front tire was rubbing on the bottom of the fork, whereas regular 25's do fit. I don't know what the 23's measure out to.

This is a 23:


These are the 25's on my bike:


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I've had really good luck with Conti Gatorskins, Grand Prix 4 Seasons, and Vittoria Rubino Pro. All 23mm.
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Originally Posted by IcySmooth52 View Post
If you want many miles on the road and puncture resistance, you have the first two listed in order of best choice and second best choice.
I've ran the 4000's and I know they aren't worth $30 more for a pair than the Krylions. I doubt the Pro4's are $20 better, either.
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Originally Posted by dippitydoo View Post
Lightness + durability would be preferable but I hold durability in higher regard than lightness if I had to choose one.
Maybe Gatorskins, I don't know. They roll like bricks. I don't mean they're heavy, I mean they're not the most comfortable tire to ride and others brake and corner better. But perception stuff ... two people can disagree on, you really need to try it for yourself.

I'm used to paying about $35 each for Grand Prix 4000s so durability isn't the absolute top priority for me.
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The Pro4 Endurance are my favorite: commute/training tires you can race on. Or race tires you can commute/train on. Either way.
The Krylions are my close second and may be the best bang for the buck going. As LA notes, the 25s do run big. If you can fit them, they're great.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
I've ran the 4000's and I know they aren't worth $30 more for a pair than the Krylions. I doubt the Pro4's are $20 better, either.
The last time I got GP 4000s they were $36 each. The problem is I got so many, I still have at least three to go. I'm anxious to try the IIs

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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
I've ran the 4000's and I know they aren't worth $30 more for a pair than the Krylions. I doubt the Pro4's are $20 better, either.
To each their own opinion. I've run Krylions and they don't last longer than Conti's 4000S. And they're not as fast, they're more an endurance style tire for roads that can give a hard time.

BTW: I've studied rubbers, and the Krylions are a much harder rubber than Pro4. This isn't endurance.
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Originally Posted by dippitydoo View Post
Hello Folks,

Buying my first set of tires as my tires are pretty worn now. Out of the options below, which one should I go for?

Continental Grand Prix 4000S II 700c Road Tire

Michelin Pro4 Endurance 700x23 Road Tire

Michelin Krylion Carbon Road Tire

Continental Gatorskin Wire Road Tire

Continental Gatorskin Folding Road Tire

Vittoria Rubino Pro Slick Road Tire



I'm looking for durability. The Continental GrandPre looks nice but its a bit steep. The Krylion might be the winner. Of course this is going off looks. I have no idea what to buy.
I asked a similar question and some wise people pointed out the best value for money depends on their current price. So I would just shop around, I've ridden a few tires now and the difference is not as much as you would think. I will say that if you ride on roads (i.e. not paved trails) then a 120TPI tire is sufficient balance. I have a friend who rides 320TPI tires and though they stick like glue they are often cut.
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I've ridden a few tires now and the difference is not as much as you would think. I will say that if you ride on roads (i.e. not paved trails) then a 120TPI tire is sufficient balance.
The difference in rolling resistance between tires is fairly great - several watts between best and worse. However it's not something you can feel. All other things being equal, get ones with less resistance and its like free speed.
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GP 4000s are pretty sweet. I intend to try other good ones but the GP's are wearing well and riding nice.

I would not sweat a few bucks on bike tires; they are a cheap pleasure in the big picture, and long lasting too. Amortized across their useful life, cost differences are trivial between tires. If you are riding a lot you deserve a great tire.
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Originally Posted by dippitydoo View Post
I'm looking for durability. The Continental GrandPre looks nice but its a bit steep. The Krylion might be the winner. Of course this is going off looks. I have no idea what to buy.
If you want something beefy, you could go with something like the 25mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus.

Also, don't forget the Gator Hardshell.
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the GP4000sII's in 25's are pretty wide, like someone else said, i would stick with the 23's. i originally got a pair of 25's for my EVO when i went from tubeless back to clinchers, and the right side was a bit too close for comfort, so i exchanged them for 23's and they fit fine now. i used both the original GP4000 and GP4000s on my Allez, and they were both great, and i don't see the GP4000sII's being any different.

as far as tubes go, i personally use the Bontrager Race Xtra Lite tubes and have been since 2006. i tried the Continentals, and got more flats from faulty tubes in 1 season than the other 8 seasons combined with the Bontrager's...

here's a pic of the GP4000sII's in 25 on my EVO, and why i took them off and put the 23's on... https://www.dropbox.com/s/uradx6s8zf...10.22.jpg?dl=0
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Originally Posted by IcySmooth52 View Post
To each their own opinion. I've run Krylions and they don't last longer than Conti's 4000S. And they're not as fast, they're more an endurance style tire for roads that can give a hard time.

BTW: I've studied rubbers, and the Krylions are a much harder rubber than Pro4. This isn't endurance.
If you actually did run Krylions I don't believe you were slower with them. Michelin replaced the Krylion with the Pro4 , they're both endurance tires. The Krylions are not a "much harder rubber". They brought the Krylion back about a year and a half ago due to demand. The Krylion has a higher thread count and is less expensive. Hell, they both look the same.
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I usually get whatever ~$30 continental Nashbar currently has in stock.
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Guys, would you go for the Krylion at 25 a piece OR the GP 4000 II at 44 a piece.
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Guys, would you go for the Krylion at 25 a piece OR the GP 4000 II at 44 a piece.
I would get the Krylion.
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