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Old 05-26-15, 10:42 AM
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OK.

First question: disk brakes are heavy, expensive, fussy and unnecessary on road bikes. Why do I need them? Is this just another way for the industry to promote planned obsolescence and selling stuff?

Second question: on our local group rides we put the guys with disks at the back. First, we don't want them causing mass pile ups. Second, since they are obvious newbies (who else would buy a road bike with disks), we don't want these Cat 6 riders causing mass pile ups. Is this common practice?
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
...Second question: on our local group rides we put the guys with disks at the back. First, we don't want them causing mass pile ups. Second, since they are obvious newbies (who else would buy a road bike with disks), we don't want these Cat 6 riders causing mass pile ups. Is this common practice?
When someone shows new shows up to your riding group with discs, your riding group immediately tells the new rider they have to riding in the back because their bike has discs? Your riding group assumes anyone with discs is a "Cat 6" rider that will cause crashes? Really, this is how your riding group behaves?
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OK.

First question: disk brakes are heavy, expensive, fussy and unnecessary on road bikes. Why do I need them? Is this just another way for the industry to promote planned obsolescence and selling stuff?

Second question: on our local group rides we put the guys with disks at the back. First, we don't want them causing mass pile ups. Second, since they are obvious newbies (who else would buy a road bike with disks), we don't want these Cat 6 riders causing mass pile ups. Is this common practice?

As someone in good shape but just starting out , this sort of attitude makes me feel uncomfortable in joining a group ride. Shouldn't the more experienced quicker guys be taking the slower newer guys under their wing and teaching them. After all we were all beginners once, including yourself.
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How do you modulate disc brakes? I read on BF that calipers don't modulate so I need to learn how to do it.
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Originally Posted by B1KE
As someone in good shape but just starting out , this sort of attitude makes me feel uncomfortable in joining a group ride. Shouldn't the more experienced quicker guys be taking the slower newer guys under their wing and teaching them. After all we were all beginners once, including yourself.
I assume he's joking. I've never heard of anyone acting like that in a group ride and I've done...oh I don't know. Certainly many hundreds. I've even done several races that included folks in disc brake bikes, even though it's technically not allowed. One unlucky guy even couldn't finish his race in the Tour of Walla Walla this year, because there were no neutral disc wheels! But nobody in the actual race cared and it's never caused any problems.
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Are discs a good choice for my wooden wheeled safety bicycle? Are they a good upgrade from a coaster brake?
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Will they throw me over the bars and cut/burn my face after doing so?
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Having the disc brake riders at the back is important so that innocent rim brakers don't get mutilated by the sharp, hot discs in a pile up. Everyone knows that! But did you know...?
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Having the disc brake riders at the back is important so that innocent rim brakers don't get mutilated by the sharp, hot discs in a pile up. Everyone knows that! But did you know...?
This is my favorite bit of disc brake FUD (and I know you don't believe it Robert)...

Anti-disc guys will say that rim brakes work just as well and stop you just as quickly as discs and therefore discs are unnecessary for everybody and just being jammed down an unsuspecting cycling public's throat by the big bad bike companies. But then they also say they want the disc equipped bikes at the back of the pack so that when they brake and stop more quickly than the rim brake bikes, there won't be a massive pile-up with the burning and blood from the hot, sharp disc brakes. It's hilarious.

But this is all discussion about current disc brake questions. Isn't this thread supposed to contain only future disc brake questions?
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But this is all discussion about current disc brake questions. Isn't this thread supposed to contain only future disc brake questions?
I never learned to multi-task. One ridiculous assignment at a time please.
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Are discs a good choice for my wooden wheeled safety bicycle? Are they a good upgrade from a coaster brake?
Yep, but not an upgrade from a dual pivot caliper.
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Originally Posted by B1KE
As someone in good shape but just starting out , this sort of attitude makes me feel uncomfortable in joining a group ride. Shouldn't the more experienced quicker guys be taking the slower newer guys under their wing and teaching them. After all we were all beginners once, including yourself.
I was a beginner once. I got yelled at. I survived. They will too.
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Unless they are beheaded by a disk brake.
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Originally Posted by PepeM
Will they throw me over the bars and cut/burn my face after doing so?
i'll admit, that rotor, at least on the front, is hanging out there all by itself a good (let me go check, i don't want to exaggerate here...) an inch or so. sort of reminds me of Safeway's deli meat slicer.

i'm keeping it, but it doesn't give me a warm a fuzzy feeling. it presents more of a safety concern, to me anyway, than an unplugged bar-end. so i think Avid and Shimano (the two rotors that i have actually had in my hands) should have at least gone to the trouble to round off the edges a bit.

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Originally Posted by Lazyass
Yep, but not an upgrade from a dual pivot caliper.
Drogue chute ftw.
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Is this where actual discussions about discs go to die by being bludgeoned to death with misinformation and confirmation bias?

How is this not a troll thread?
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Who wants to make a bet with me: Within 5 years the pro-tour will be using discs. I say yes.
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... Shouldn't the more experienced quicker guys be taking the slower newer guys under their wing and teaching them. After all we were all beginners once, including yourself.
They absolutely should. This is what mentoring is all about.

In the early '80s a few guys took me aside a helped me get sorted. They were there on rides when I needed them with support, advice and encouragement until I was able to take care of myself.

As I got older I passed on what they had shown me as well as what I'd learned to a lot of newer riders. I didn't do this because I'm a nice guy (I'm not. I'm a bit of a dick, actually), I did it because that's how things are supposed to work.

Find a group like that.
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Who wants to make a bet with me: Within 5 years the pro-tour will be using discs. I say yes.
There are already races on the 2016 Pro-Tour calendar where riders will be allowed to use discs. Done and dusted.

The debate is already over and product is already on the shelves for consumers to choose or NOT choose. Every major manufacturing now offers a CHOICE of their bikes with rim brakes or with discs.

Those who live in places and ride in conditions where discs are advantageous now have that OPTION. Those who live in places and ride in conditions where disc brakes offer no advantage retain their OPTION a well.

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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
There are already races on the 2016 Pro-Tour calendar where riders will be allowed to use discs. Done and dusted.

The debate is already over and product is already on the shelves for consumers to choose or NOT choose. Every major manufacturing now offers a CHOICE of their bikes with rim brakes or with discs.

Those who live in places and ride in conditions where discs are advantageous now have that OPTION. Those who live in places and ride in conditions where disc brakes offer no advantage retain their OPTION a well.

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this seems to be the best answer.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
There are already races on the 2016 Pro-Tour calendar where riders will be allowed to use discs. Done and dusted.

The debate is already over and product is already on the shelves for consumers to choose or NOT choose. Every major manufacturing now offers a CHOICE of their bikes with rim brakes or with discs.

Those who live in places and ride in conditions where discs are advantageous now have that OPTION. Those who live in places and ride in conditions where disc brakes offer no advantage retain their OPTION a well.

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lower end frames have a disc option, it seems.

no one has taken this seriously.
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