Chinese Carbon Wheelset owners, are you satisfied?
06-06-15, 06:11 AM
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Incorrect as always.
These Chinese Companies sell consumer direct. We sell OEM/ODM. If you understood the difference I would be surprised.
We have Novatec wheels on our website but we don't sell them. They are linked to distributors in various countries around the world. We only do it as a favour to the brand as it costs us nothing. We have NEVER sold completed wheels and probably never will.
More importantly, did you read what I had to say about OTHER Chinese Consumer Direct companies or are you, once again, just looking for something to contradict.
These Chinese Companies sell consumer direct. We sell OEM/ODM. If you understood the difference I would be surprised.
We have Novatec wheels on our website but we don't sell them. They are linked to distributors in various countries around the world. We only do it as a favour to the brand as it costs us nothing. We have NEVER sold completed wheels and probably never will.
More importantly, did you read what I had to say about OTHER Chinese Consumer Direct companies or are you, once again, just looking for something to contradict.
What I find hilarious is your position on some of these companies, "I wouldn't buy from them, I haven't been there personally, I have no direct experience, but I heard a guy tell me from something he heard that....something is bad".
You know what you're doing; it's quite comical.
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You sell the DTO-40 Carbon Clincher rim directly.
Psimet posts all the time.
What I find hilarious is your position on some of these companies, "I wouldn't buy from them, I haven't been there personally, I have no direct experience, but I heard a guy tell me from something he heard that....something is bad".
You know what you're doing; it's quite comical.
Psimet posts all the time.
What I find hilarious is your position on some of these companies, "I wouldn't buy from them, I haven't been there personally, I have no direct experience, but I heard a guy tell me from something he heard that....something is bad".
You know what you're doing; it's quite comical.
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i've noticed that sometimes, people are too thin-skinned to withstand the type criticism that they dish out on a regular basis.
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Like Most Purchases, It Requires Some Research.
I've been searching through old posts getting information about Chinese Carbon Fiber Wheelsets and I noticed that a lot of people argue that the brand name originals are superior, I have no doubt in my mind this is true. For those whom have purchased the more economic Chinese counter-parts, are you satisfied with your purchase and their performance? Bang for buck?
After much E-mail discussion with Windy, who was very responsive and extremely helpful, I placed the order on May 25, 2015, received a pro forma invoice on May 25, and paid via PayPal on May 26. I ordered the FSC38CM-25 wheels, with UD matte finish, and with DT Swiss straight pull hubs. I also ordered two sets of Swisstop Black Prince brake pads for carbon wheels. FSC included a set of their house brand brake pads, two extra spokes, the titanium skewers, and the spacer ring for a 10 speed cassette on the 11 speed hub.
When the wheels were ready, Windy sent me several photos via E-mail. I approved the wheels. My wheels shipped on June 1 and arrived at my California home on June 5. Most of the people reading this do not remember the 1960’s and 70’s, but for those who do, China was “Red China” or “Communist China” and we in the West had absolutely no contact. China was a big mystery, “behind the Iron Curtain.” It is astonishing that we can now communicate and order things via Email and have them shipped here in 5 days.
The wheels arrived well packaged in a corrugated (cardboard) container with foam bags over the wheels and Styrofoam blocks separating the wheels. The accessories were readily visible in a cardboard tray. All of the cardboard was of very good quality. The Chinese carrier EMS turned the parcel over to the USPS as Priority Mail.
In anticipation of the wheels arriving, I mounted new Conti 4000s II tires on an old aluminum wheel, to stretch the bead. The tires were much easier to mount on the FarSports wheel after being inflated on an aluminum wheel for several days. I wanted to avoid using tire levers, even the plastic ones. I used Zipp 20 mm rim tape and Kenda 700 x 23/25 mm tubes with 60 mm valve stems. The 60 mm valve stem looks good with the 38 cm rims, though a 48 mm threaded stem would work with most pumps. I mounted a new SRAM cassette. Everything went together as one would expect. The wheels look very good. They spin nicely. They also have identifying safety decals and a factory decal inside the rim. I did not order the Far Sports decals, though I would consider the black on black in the future.
Fortunately, I am recovering from a herniated disc. Unfortunately, I am not yet able to ride up steep hills, so I am holding off mounting the new wheels until I recover a little more and my first ride will be a positive experience. I will promptly update this post when I put some miles on the wheels.
UPDATE: After riding on the wheels for several months, I am very happy with them. They handle well with 700 x 25 mm Conti 4000s. They look great. My speeds immediately improved on the two rides I took before I had knee surgery. I have accidentally hit a few small potholes and the wheels held up. The only negative experience I had was one of the skewers being loose. HOWEVER, it should be noted that when I exited a restroom at the beach there was a kid admiring my bike. The loose wheel happened within 5 minutes. I suspect the kid messed with it. Nonetheless, I changed to my DT Swiss skewers.
FYI, I ride a recumbent Bacchetta Carbon Aero 2.0, and inflate to 90 (front) and 95 psi. After every ride I reduce the pressure on the sides of the wheel by letting air out of the tire. I don't know if it is necessary, but many people recommend it for carbon wheels. It doesn't take much longer to pump up the tires from 40 psi than it does to top them off from 80.
Finally, every year around my birthday, I ride my age in miles. Next week, I plan to do the ride on the Far Sports wheels. Despite being older, I expect to finish 66 miles faster than I did 65 last year.
UPDATE: After at least a thousand miles, I am very happy with the wheels. I rode 72 miles on my birthday, and enjoyed the feel and sound of the wheels. I have never switched back to my aluminum rims. After adding Watteam Powerbeat crank based power meters, I sold my Velocity/Powertap rear wheel. I saved a set of Velocity A23s just in case I do a ride with a long mountain descent and want constant braking. The FarSports wheels have remained true, and no problems have developed. I occasionally complain that the DT Swiss hubs seem to lose rotational speed on long uphill grades. ;-)
Last edited by Denny Crane; 05-30-16 at 05:32 PM. Reason: More Experience with the Wheels.
06-07-15, 09:58 PM
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I am sorry not to have actual test data yet, but I can tell you about my experience. I did a lot of research, and came to the conclusion that the risk is greatest buying eBay low cost wheels. The best results seem to be with Far Sports and Yeoleo, two brands that emphasize quality rather than price. I went with Far Sports Carbon Fiber Wheels because I wanted 25 mm rims and DT Swiss hubs.
After much E-mail discussion with Windy, who was very responsive and extremely helpful, I placed the order on May 25, 2015, received a pro forma invoice on May 25, and paid via PayPal on May 26. I ordered the FSC38CM-25 wheels, with UD matte finish, and with DT Swiss straight pull hubs. I also ordered two sets of Swisstop Black Prince brake pads for carbon wheels. FSC included a set of their house brand brake pads, two extra spokes, the titanium skewers, and the spacer ring for a 10 speed cassette on the 11 speed hub.
When the wheels were ready, Windy sent me several photos via E-mail. I approved the wheels. My wheels shipped on June 1 and arrived at my California home on June 5. Most of the people reading this do not remember the 1960’s and 70’s, but for those who do, China was “Red China” or “Communist China” and we in the West had absolutely no contact. China was a big mystery, “behind the Iron Curtain.” It is astonishing that we can now communicate and order things via Email and have them shipped here in 5 days.
The wheels arrived well packaged in a corrugated (cardboard) container with foam bags over the wheels and Styrofoam blocks separating the wheels. The accessories were readily visible in a cardboard tray. All of the cardboard was of very good quality. The Chinese carrier EMS turned the parcel over to the USPS as Priority Mail.
In anticipation of the wheels arriving, I mounted new Conti 4000s II tires on an old aluminum wheel, to stretch the bead. The tires were much easier to mount on the FarSports wheel after being inflated on an aluminum wheel for several days. I wanted to avoid using tire levers, even the plastic ones. I used Zipp 20 mm rim tape and Kenda 700 x 23/25 mm tubes with 60 mm valve stems. The 60 mm valve stem looks good with the 38 cm rims, though a 48 mm threaded stem would work with most pumps. I mounted a new SRAM cassette. Everything went together as one would expect. The wheels look very good. They spin nicely. They also have identifying safety decals and a factory decal inside the rim. I did not order the Far Sports decals, though I would consider the black on black in the future.
Fortunately, I am recovering from a herniated disc. Unfortunately, I am not yet able to ride up steep hills, so I am holding off mounting the new wheels until I recover a little more and my first ride will be a positive experience. I will promptly update this post when I put some miles on the wheels.
After much E-mail discussion with Windy, who was very responsive and extremely helpful, I placed the order on May 25, 2015, received a pro forma invoice on May 25, and paid via PayPal on May 26. I ordered the FSC38CM-25 wheels, with UD matte finish, and with DT Swiss straight pull hubs. I also ordered two sets of Swisstop Black Prince brake pads for carbon wheels. FSC included a set of their house brand brake pads, two extra spokes, the titanium skewers, and the spacer ring for a 10 speed cassette on the 11 speed hub.
When the wheels were ready, Windy sent me several photos via E-mail. I approved the wheels. My wheels shipped on June 1 and arrived at my California home on June 5. Most of the people reading this do not remember the 1960’s and 70’s, but for those who do, China was “Red China” or “Communist China” and we in the West had absolutely no contact. China was a big mystery, “behind the Iron Curtain.” It is astonishing that we can now communicate and order things via Email and have them shipped here in 5 days.
The wheels arrived well packaged in a corrugated (cardboard) container with foam bags over the wheels and Styrofoam blocks separating the wheels. The accessories were readily visible in a cardboard tray. All of the cardboard was of very good quality. The Chinese carrier EMS turned the parcel over to the USPS as Priority Mail.
In anticipation of the wheels arriving, I mounted new Conti 4000s II tires on an old aluminum wheel, to stretch the bead. The tires were much easier to mount on the FarSports wheel after being inflated on an aluminum wheel for several days. I wanted to avoid using tire levers, even the plastic ones. I used Zipp 20 mm rim tape and Kenda 700 x 23/25 mm tubes with 60 mm valve stems. The 60 mm valve stem looks good with the 38 cm rims, though a 48 mm threaded stem would work with most pumps. I mounted a new SRAM cassette. Everything went together as one would expect. The wheels look very good. They spin nicely. They also have identifying safety decals and a factory decal inside the rim. I did not order the Far Sports decals, though I would consider the black on black in the future.
Fortunately, I am recovering from a herniated disc. Unfortunately, I am not yet able to ride up steep hills, so I am holding off mounting the new wheels until I recover a little more and my first ride will be a positive experience. I will promptly update this post when I put some miles on the wheels.
can't read all that, but curious as to price delivered?
06-07-15, 11:58 PM
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I read it!
Thanks, Denny, for a great post!!
Hope you're feeling better soon & can post feedback on them!! (look good!)
Thanks, Denny, for a great post!!
Hope you're feeling better soon & can post feedback on them!! (look good!)
06-08-15, 12:39 AM
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no experience w/ Chinese rims but I have been riding an unbranded carbon ebay handlebar (~$60) for about 3 years now. seems fine, however my ebay water bottle cages (2@ $25) both cracked after 6-8 months.
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Late to the party, but here's my experience:
1st wheelset - Karbona branded. They were fine except for the fact that they had internal nipples. They were nice though, as nothing rides like a pair of tubulars.
2nd wheelset - bought from eBay. They were fine for "normal use" and even used them for races. Thing was that they're fine until you bring them to an alpine climb and start descending on them. I got those ones with the Basalt braking surface. My break pads melted on those surfaces when I went to the south of France.
You get what you pay for is the lesson here.They're OK until you use them for serious things.
Extend your budget a bit and check out wheelsets from proscloset on eBay. They're selling Reynolds wheelsets for cheap.
1st wheelset - Karbona branded. They were fine except for the fact that they had internal nipples. They were nice though, as nothing rides like a pair of tubulars.
2nd wheelset - bought from eBay. They were fine for "normal use" and even used them for races. Thing was that they're fine until you bring them to an alpine climb and start descending on them. I got those ones with the Basalt braking surface. My break pads melted on those surfaces when I went to the south of France.
You get what you pay for is the lesson here.They're OK until you use them for serious things.
Extend your budget a bit and check out wheelsets from proscloset on eBay. They're selling Reynolds wheelsets for cheap.
06-08-15, 05:06 AM
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Late to the party, but here's my experience:
1st wheelset - Karbona branded. They were fine except for the fact that they had internal nipples. They were nice though, as nothing rides like a pair of tubulars.
2nd wheelset - bought from eBay. They were fine for "normal use" and even used them for races. Thing was that they're fine until you bring them to an alpine climb and start descending on them. I got those ones with the Basalt braking surface. My break pads melted on those surfaces when I went to the south of France.
You get what you pay for is the lesson here.They're OK until you use them for serious things.
Extend your budget a bit and check out wheelsets from proscloset on eBay. They're selling Reynolds wheelsets for cheap.
1st wheelset - Karbona branded. They were fine except for the fact that they had internal nipples. They were nice though, as nothing rides like a pair of tubulars.
2nd wheelset - bought from eBay. They were fine for "normal use" and even used them for races. Thing was that they're fine until you bring them to an alpine climb and start descending on them. I got those ones with the Basalt braking surface. My break pads melted on those surfaces when I went to the south of France.
You get what you pay for is the lesson here.They're OK until you use them for serious things.
Extend your budget a bit and check out wheelsets from proscloset on eBay. They're selling Reynolds wheelsets for cheap.
06-08-15, 07:52 PM
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Fortunately, I am recovering from a herniated disc. Unfortunately, I am not yet able to ride up steep hills, so I am holding off mounting the new wheels until I recover a little more and my first ride will be a positive experience. I will promptly update this post when I put some miles on the wheels.
06-08-15, 11:56 PM
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I have no need to be cryptic.
I bought a 50mm carbon rear wheel (I run a Bontrager Aura 5 up front) from "DIY Bike" on ebay In Dec 2013. I've put about 3000 miles on that wheel since then and my only issue (which might be major to some) was a few too many broken spokes/spoke nipples (4 to date). I ended up buying a new bag of nipples and replacing them all. Seems like the original spokes were WAY overtensioned, causing things to pop under low-speed hard starts. We'll see how things go from here on in. I only have 50 miles in the "new nipple" setup.
The Novatec hub is obnoxious and I like that. People know where I am when I'm near them.
I bought a 50mm carbon rear wheel (I run a Bontrager Aura 5 up front) from "DIY Bike" on ebay In Dec 2013. I've put about 3000 miles on that wheel since then and my only issue (which might be major to some) was a few too many broken spokes/spoke nipples (4 to date). I ended up buying a new bag of nipples and replacing them all. Seems like the original spokes were WAY overtensioned, causing things to pop under low-speed hard starts. We'll see how things go from here on in. I only have 50 miles in the "new nipple" setup.
The Novatec hub is obnoxious and I like that. People know where I am when I'm near them.
06-09-15, 05:09 AM
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I have no need to be cryptic.
I bought a 50mm carbon rear wheel (I run a Bontrager Aura 5 up front) from "DIY Bike" on ebay In Dec 2013. I've put about 3000 miles on that wheel since then and my only issue (which might be major to some) was a few too many broken spokes/spoke nipples (4 to date). I ended up buying a new bag of nipples and replacing them all. Seems like the original spokes were WAY overtensioned, causing things to pop under low-speed hard starts. We'll see how things go from here on in. I only have 50 miles in the "new nipple" setup.
The Novatec hub is obnoxious and I like that. People know where I am when I'm near them.
I bought a 50mm carbon rear wheel (I run a Bontrager Aura 5 up front) from "DIY Bike" on ebay In Dec 2013. I've put about 3000 miles on that wheel since then and my only issue (which might be major to some) was a few too many broken spokes/spoke nipples (4 to date). I ended up buying a new bag of nipples and replacing them all. Seems like the original spokes were WAY overtensioned, causing things to pop under low-speed hard starts. We'll see how things go from here on in. I only have 50 miles in the "new nipple" setup.
The Novatec hub is obnoxious and I like that. People know where I am when I'm near them.
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I've read some not so great things about DIY bike. I was tempted by them initially but have heard about them having a lot of issues since.
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I hope you feel better i just sent an email for a set of wheels to FS i am using a Specialized allez with a ultegra 9 speed cassette - what is the difference with DT swiss hubs your ordered and what do you think of their stock hubs? is there a huge difference in price? lastly when they say "clincher " they mean tire that need a tube. yes?
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Two rides on my new low profile, cheapie carbon tubulars bought from a nobody on ebay. A terrible idea, but there it is. $183 + $56 shipping. Irresistable. So far so good. Easy conditions however, all flat land, so no steep and/or long descents. As I said before, the rims were incredibly easy to build up (home built). Braking is smooth with lightly toed in Swisstop Yellow Kings. No squeals. Now if they just don't asplode...
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Anyone have any experiences with chinese "tubeless" carbon clinchers? I took a look at them and they don't have any spokes holes in the rim beds so they technically don't even need rim tape which is cool. But I also hear that running tubeless on carbon clinchers is a no-no.
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I have some of the $11 Light Bicycle cages. They lost the bottle over a bump before I put skateboard tape on the inside. Now they work fine. l
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Two rides on my new low profile, cheapie carbon tubulars bought from a nobody on ebay. A terrible idea, but there it is. $183 + $56 shipping. Irresistable. So far so good. Easy conditions however, all flat land, so no steep and/or long descents. As I said before, the rims were incredibly easy to build up (home built). Braking is smooth with lightly toed in Swisstop Yellow Kings. No squeals. Now if they just don't asplode...
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Anyone have any experiences with chinese "tubeless" carbon clinchers? I took a look at them and they don't have any spokes holes in the rim beds so they technically don't even need rim tape which is cool. But I also hear that running tubeless on carbon clinchers is a no-no.
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Anyone have any experiences with chinese "tubeless" carbon clinchers? I took a look at them and they don't have any spokes holes in the rim beds so they technically don't even need rim tape which is cool. But I also hear that running tubeless on carbon clinchers is a no-no.
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There are a couple of techniques. You can screw a magnet into the nipple so it sticks to the spoke. Blow a string through the hole and zip the nipple in along the string.
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Actually I call them Tea Party Favorites, because they were so cheap and I didn't have to pay any tax on them.