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I Hate Speedplays

Old 06-06-15, 09:44 AM
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Can you move the C-clip around with your finger or is it too tight? I know that you said that you've double-checked, but I'm still guessing that you're over-tightening them; if you're not paying close attention, you'll completely miss it when the screw starts to 'click' and your 'four clicks' (or whatever) will be completely off.
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Old 06-06-15, 09:45 AM
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Yeah first few tries you shouldn't like them.

Afterwards it's like heaven-sent especially the double-sided entry.
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Old 06-06-15, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Hapsmo911 View Post
If your on the lighter side weight wise, and assuming you have not over tightened the screws on the plates as you say, I would guess they need some break in. I bought these for my wife and shes 100 and nothing pounds and had the same problems. I ended up buying ultra light cleats and swapping the springs, they will fit in the zero cleat body. Problem solved. Or if you are going to run full float. You can just switch to the X pedals. The springs are round and are much easier to clip in.
good point, i was going to ask the weight of the OP.

secondly, the rider may have to have their entire weight on the pedal before it will engage, at least initially. that means that once one is engaged, the rider must start riding, then coast, and having the engaged pedal at the 12 o'clock position again exert their entire weight on the unengaged pedal. some riders, as stated here, don't feel confident in performing this maneuver.

it's probably a user/weight/expectation issue. (that's not necessarily a criticism, in my mind).

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Old 06-06-15, 11:17 AM
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Whenever I've seen someone really struggling to clip in with Speedplays, it's been because the rider wasn't pressing down square on the pedal. Each time, with the inside of the foot lower than the outside (pronation). I think there may be a natural tendency for folks to do that because rotating the foot outward can make it seem more likely that your foot will fall off the pedal. I told them to put more weight on the outside of the foot, and boom, easy click right in.
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Old 06-06-15, 11:54 AM
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I weigh 133.

Just had my first brief ride with both sides clipped in. It seems as the key is to shimmy it in. Unlike sl's where you just have to put your cleat in the general area and then the peddle will guide it in. The speed plays seem to need a bit more precision which is counter intuitive when speed play is all about double sided ease.

I still stand by my statement that sl's are better. At least for me.
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Originally Posted by isuckatbiking View Post
I weigh 133.

Just had my first brief ride with both sides clipped in. It seems as the key is to shimmy it in. Unlike sl's where you just have to put your cleat in the general area and then the peddle will guide it in. The speed plays seem to need a bit more precision which is counter intuitive when speed play is all about double sided ease.

I still stand by my statement that sl's are better. At least for me.
If it was me, I might try going to a store and asking them to reinstall them. Just because sometimes a bike shop knows something you don't.

The motion to get in and out is different than other cleats, best way to describe is "you dropped a cigarette on the ground, and mashing it out with the front of your foot". It's a different motion than the "put your foot on the pedal and slide it forward" one.
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Old 06-06-15, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
If it was me, I might try going to a store and asking them to reinstall them. Just because sometimes a bike shop knows something you don't.

The motion to get in and out is different than other cleats, best way to describe is "you dropped a cigarette on the ground, and mashing it out with the front of your foot". It's a different motion than the "put your foot on the pedal and slide it forward" one.

Thats a great way to describe it (the cigarette example). Its not as straight forward as put foot down and boom, engaged. Once you're in the general vicinity, you have to shimmy your foot left and right while applying pressure. Really not sure how I feel about the pedals. I might end up just keeping it though to avoid having to deal with the hassle of getting it returned and buying new pedals.

I guess I could switch next year.
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Old 06-06-15, 01:10 PM
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Old 06-06-15, 01:23 PM
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First mistake was not buying Look pedals
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Old 06-06-15, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike F View Post
Im the odd man out. I had speed plays for two years and went to Ultegra. Very happy. Here comes the "heresy" part... Dont know why but me knees are happier. Shouldnt be that way but it is. Cant explain it, wont even try. Just the way it is. Clipping in was never a problem though.
No heresy. Some bike stuff isn't for everybody even though there are 10000+ happy Speedplay customers who wouldn't ride anything else.
Ever pedal design has some downside or compromise. Speedplays are light, low stack, engage both sides and the two biggest bennies are: they have mega adjustable float and biggest issue for me...you can run them farter back because Speedplay sells extension plates to replace the stock mounting plate.

But many are fine with Utegras and Look pedals. To me they don't have all the features I mentioned but for the OP who struggles with mounting, in my experience Look and Shimano pedals are easier to mount. I love Speedplay pedals and if their mounting system could be improved they would be without peer but a bit fiddly to set up...not too bad with experience.

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Old 06-06-15, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RNAV View Post
It is very important that the snap ring is installed correctly (star-side up). If you have that installed upside down, it would make it ridiculously difficult to clip in.
Star side up when you a riding? ie facing the sole of the shoe?
or star side up while you are installing, facing away from the sole of the shoe?

I've reinstalled my speedplays numerous times and never even noticed a star side. Looks like I'm overdue to take them apart again to check for this.
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Old 06-06-15, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Biggest installation mistake is if the surface under the cleat body isn't planar. If the mounting surface isn't flat, this will heighten screw torque sensitivity to clipping in. To resolve this, you will likely need to shim the base plate such that the cleat mates to a perfectly flat surface. Then you apply a fair amount of torque to the screws and be able to clip in no prob. Apply just a light coating of Teflon chain lube to the pedals.
Speedplays by far are the best pedals I have ridden.
Yes, exactly most likely the problem that the OP is having. He should have read installation instructions provided with his Speedplays.
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Old 06-06-15, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul W. View Post
Star side up when you a riding? ie facing the sole of the shoe?
or star side up while you are installing, facing away from the sole of the shoe?

I've reinstalled my speedplays numerous times and never even noticed a star side. Looks like I'm overdue to take them apart again to check for this.
I should have been more clear. The star should be facing away from the sole of the shoe, so that you can see it when the clip is installed onto the yellow base plate. It's stamped on the side near the float adjustment.
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Old 06-06-15, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
Wait until you walk in some dirt and try to clip/unclip. That's my biggest gripe.
bro, do you even keep on kovers?

its always crazy to me when i see people that dont use cleat covers for their speedplays. 75 bucks for a pair and they wont spend an extra 25 bucks to triple the life of their cleats.



after 2500+ miles of use. still look almost brand new


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Old 06-06-15, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kelsodeez View Post
bro, do you even keep on kovers?

its always crazy to me when i see people that dont use cleat covers for their speedplays. 75 bucks for a pair and they wont spend an extra 25 bucks to triple the life of their cleats.



after 2500+ miles of use. still look almost brand new
I'm pretty easy on cleats whether it's SPD-SLs or Speedplays. I don't walk that much and the biggest wear is from pushing off with your foot from starts. I don't push hard and my wear is long by comparison. I also don't like carrying a bunch if stuff.

My only complaint as I mentioned is dirt clogging and making it hard to disengage. I'm sure covers would mke a difference but I never use them with SPDs and never had a problem with first on them.
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I've been on speedplays for several months, after many many years on regular spds.

When I first mounted the cleats to my shoes (Specialized S Works) I had similar problems with the left side. Very very difficult to get clipped in - due, I assume to the cleat not being flat. Many attempts to fix it seemed fruitless, so I just did my best for a while hoping they'd get easier.

However, even clipped in, and with the cleats as far back as possible, I didn't like the position. I wanted the cleats a little further back, as I am a fan of the newer school of thinking that a further rearward cleat makes for more power and comfort. So, I bought the extension kit. With said kit, it makes it much easier to have a cleat that is perfectly flat, because it uses a metal base plate.

Once I put those on, the cleat would engage easily every time. I don't have to look at it, I don't have to twist my foot side to side, none of that. I just push straight down and it goes right in.

It is an added expense that IMO, should be included to begin with is my main gripe. Well, that and the way the owner of the company uses lawyers against people in such a cavalier manner.

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Old 06-06-15, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Fox Farm View Post
Yes, exactly most likely the problem that the OP is having. He should have read installation instructions provided with his Speedplays.
Yup...less planar the under cleat support surface is...the more torque sensitive the screws and more difficult to click in Speedplays.
The OP, just doesn't know what he's doing. No foul to him. You don't know until you do. Yes, Speedplay's are fiddly to set up.
In fact, if the under cleat surface is as flat as a pool table, one can crank the screws down tight and pedal will clip in just fine. Even the type of larger screws that bolt the mounting plate to the shoe matter. Many don't fit down inside the chamfer of the slots and that will affect how flat under the cleat is.
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I know when I first got my Speedplays I couldn't figure them out. Than I realized that I have to really "stomp" down on the peddle to click in. Now I've gotten used to them and they are more intuitive. They really help when riding a tandem, since you don't have time to fiddle with the peddles. Just place and stomp.
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Originally Posted by kelsodeez View Post
bro, do you even keep on kovers?

its always crazy to me when i see people that dont use cleat covers for their speedplays. 75 bucks for a pair and they wont spend an extra 25 bucks to triple the life of their cleats.



after 2500+ miles of use. still look almost brand new

$75 for zero cleats??? Find a new shop.

My LBS sells them for $40, and then gives me 30% off.

Cleat covers keep the aluminum plate from wearing, but after 10k miles the cleat will still need to be replaced because it will have a sloppy fit on the pedal.

Cleat covers make walking easier, but the attachment point still gets sloppy after 10-12k miles.

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+1 on this. I have tried time RXS, xpresso, iclic, SPD-SL, speedplay zero. Nothing works as good as Look Keo 2 Max pedals and the red cleats for me.


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Old 06-07-15, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Yup...less planar the under cleat support surface is...the more torque sensitive the screws and more difficult to click in Speedplays.
The OP, just doesn't know what he's doing. No foul to him. You don't know until you do. Yes, Speedplay's are fiddly to set up.
In fact, if the under cleat surface is as flat as a pool table, one can crank the screws down tight and pedal will clip in just fine. Even the type of larger screws that bolt the mounting plate to the shoe matter. Many don't fit down inside the chamfer of the slots and that will affect how flat under the cleat is.
Geez. I understand you guys are speedplay fanatics but to blame it on user error is pretty excessive right? I read the directions five times before I even bought the pedals I also ended up taking it to the shop yesterday and they said everything was perfectly fine. Sorry to sound pissy but I think its pretty rude to automatically assume its an error on my part.
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Originally Posted by isuckatbiking View Post
Geez. I understand you guys are speedplay fanatics but to blame it on user error is pretty excessive right? I read the directions five times before I even bought the pedals I also ended up taking it to the shop yesterday and they said everything was perfectly fine. Sorry to sound pissy but I think its pretty rude to automatically assume its an error on my part.
Not at all. Assuming user error is actually the safe bet; by a wide margin, it's the most frequent problem seen with new Speedplay users. No one is saying that you're unusually ignorant, they're saying that your experience isn't terribly unusual. And yes, you do sound pissy, especially given the tone of C4L's post, which is unusually understanding and conciliatory (for him, at least ).
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I don't have an answer for your specific issue. But, I have used Speedplays for many years without any of the issues that you and others have mentioned. A new pair of Zeros this year did take several rides to break in. I had never had that happen before. But, IMO, they are far better than SPDs for ease of use. At this point I'm a Speedplay guy.
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I love speedplay pedals.
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I love Speedplay pedals so much I got my wife a set. She hated them. She had all kinds of trouble clipping in and out. She became very frustrated with them and me. I then got her some Light Action SP's and now all is good.
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