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Old 06-17-15, 09:36 AM
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Water bottle cages

I carry a good bit of water when I ride. For longer rides, I used to carry a pair of Zefal Magnums (1 liter), but I've since traded those for a pair of Camelbak Podium big chills, and just plan my ride around refill points.

But the problem with my new frame is that the Magnums don't fit the rear position at all, and the Podiums barely fit.



If you look at that rear cage, it sits awfully high - a few inches higher than it did on the 5500 frame.

I know I can get a side-loader cage, but I'd rather lower that cage. I'm thinking I could just cut a strip of alu and put two sets of holes in it. One to mount the cage to it, and the other to mount the whole thing to the bike.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?
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Old 06-17-15, 09:39 AM
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Some cages offer two mounting points, higher and lower. I know my Elite plasticky ones did, perhaps the lower position would be low enough. Nice cages too, work very well.
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If you're not too bothered about your cages, I would probably try and drill out the bolts holes in the cage a bit so that it can be lowered down some more. Maybe buy a cheap one from amazon and try it out??
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You should only need to remove the bottle when swapping after the downtube bottle is empty.
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Originally Posted by TobinH View Post
Some cages offer two mounting points, higher and lower. I know my Elite plasticky ones did, perhaps the lower position would be low enough. Nice cages too, work very well.
Thanks, I'll see if my LBS or Perf has some of those.


Originally Posted by MikeyUK View Post
If you're not too bothered about your cages, I would probably try and drill out the bolts holes in the cage a bit so that it can be lowered down some more. Maybe buy a cheap one from amazon and try it out??
Yeah, these have kind of an extension, so where you drill would be too far off the frame.




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You should only need to remove the bottle when swapping after the downtube bottle is empty.
True, but that doesn't solve the problem of me wanting to carry the Zefal bottle. I only need a little over an inch to clear it.
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Drier is faster?

I rarely have more than one cage installed and just plan on slugging down extra water at stops when it's hot out. Any sloshy-belly tends not to be a problem if I'm also on top of my electrolyte intake.

Originally Posted by cydewaze View Post
Yeah, these have kind of an extension, so where you drill would be too far off the frame.

More helpfully, I bet you could use a clamp for the lower bolt, and move the bottle cage down by one bolt hole.
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2 View Post
You should only need to remove the bottle when swapping after the downtube bottle is empty.
This is what I do on my Trek with similar frame clearance.

Another option is Arundel cages (the best cages) which have two sets of holes on most of their cages so that you can put one in a lower position.

Yet another option is this nifty Shimano bit which is designed to move a bottle cage up to clear a BB moutned Di2 battery, but could also be used in the other direction, provided it clears your FD clamp, or that you have a braze-on FD mount.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
I rarely have more than one cage installed and just plan on slugging down extra water at stops when it's hot out. Any sloshy-belly tends not to be a problem if I'm also on top of my electrolyte intake.
Well I have one ride (70-miler) where I'd have to go over 30 miles (mostly climbs) after the final refill, so that's pushing it for me.

I'll keep that clamp idea in my back pocket if I can't work out anything else.
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels View Post
Another option is Arundel cages (the best cages) which have two sets of holes on most of their cages so that you can put one in a lower position.

Yet another option is this nifty Shimano bit which is designed to move a bottle cage up to clear a BB moutned Di2 battery, but could also be used in the other direction, provided it clears your FD clamp, or that you have a braze-on FD mount.
OOOH! Both of those are great ideas, and the second one is exactly what I was thinking about making, thanks! I'm ordering that now, it'll be handy to have in my box even if it doesn't work.
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Old 06-17-15, 11:36 AM
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With a little luck you could drill and mount a third rivnut for a lower cage mount.
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"I know I can get a side-loader cage"

Just want to mention this, I put a Specialized side loading cage on my bike just because I liked how well it grabbed the bottle, and it's been great. If anything it's actually easier to get bottles in and out of it. Just an fyi.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Just want to mention this, I put a Specialized side loading cage on my bike just because I liked how well it grabbed the bottle, and it's been great. If anything it's actually easier to get bottles in and out of it. Just an fyi.
Yep I put one on my wife's bike (small frame) but for me it still doesn't solve the problem of space allowance for my larger bottle.
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Wow! $20. And folks said I was crazy to spend $50 on a pair of Paul Component Thumbies. Seems like these prices are par for the course.
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Originally Posted by cydewaze View Post
Yep I put one on my wife's bike (small frame) but for me it still doesn't solve the problem of space allowance for my larger bottle.
Ah, sorry about that, I see I slightly misread your post up top. You can fit the old bottles barely, but not the new bottles at all.
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Originally Posted by cale View Post
Wow! $20. And folks said I was crazy to spend $50 on a pair of Paul Component Thumbies. Seems like these prices are par for the course.
Yeah it's pretty nuts (and bolts), probably should be around $6.99, but if they work, $20 isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, since I'll probably use them for 10 years (the average lifespan of a Trek carbon road frame for me, haha).
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Arundel makes a cage where you pull the bottle out the side called The SideLoader. It's especially designed for your problem with tight spaces on a compact frame. It also has two sets of mounting holes.

https://www.arundelbike.com/product/sideloader/
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Originally Posted by TobinH View Post
Some cages offer two mounting points, higher and lower. I know my Elite plasticky ones did, perhaps the lower position would be low enough. Nice cages too, work very well.
+1 on Elite cages. They work well and are inexpensive.
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Originally Posted by cydewaze View Post

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Perhaps a Camelbak that straps on your back?
Yes I know it's not a cage but it solves the hydration problem.
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Originally Posted by cydewaze View Post
Yeah it's pretty nuts (and bolts), probably should be around $6.99, but if they work, $20 isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, since I'll probably use them for 10 years (the average lifespan of a Trek carbon road frame for me, haha).
More power to you.
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Ok, so the kit got here and I figured out a few things.

1) The kit's expensive because the box says "DURA ACE!!!!!!" on it. I mean, why have a Di2 water bottle relocation kit for $6.99 when you can write Dura Ace on the box and charge 20 bucks?

2) It finally dawned on me that the reason the bottle on my Emonda is so high is to make room for Di2. Almost wish they'd supply 3 mounting bolts or a kit with the bike so you can have the choice up front, but oh well!

Here's the result. MUCH better!

Before:


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Looks good. Did you expel the option of having saddle mounted cages? the Silly TRI looking double bottle cage that mounts to either the saddle rails or the seat post seems like an option too...
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Glad to see it worked out. I had thought about using it for the same purpose before, but ended up not needing to. It's good to see it in action. I hadn't much considered that the bottle cage mount had traveled upwards specifically for Di2 batteries, but it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by MikeyBoyAz View Post
Looks good. Did you expel the option of having saddle mounted cages? the Silly TRI looking double bottle cage that mounts to either the saddle rails or the seat post seems like an option too...
Well here's the silly part. On longer rides, I use two Zefal Magnum bottles which are larger than the Camelbak Podiums. So I assumed (without testing) that I would need more space up top to fit a larger bottle. Once I got the cage moved, I went and got a Zefal out of the closet to test, and believe it or not it's the SAME height as the Podium! So I didn't need the extra height as much as I thought.

BUT, now that I have it, I like it because the bottle is SO much easier to pull out during a swap, and I get to have matching bottle cages. Plus, I can still draw from either side. So I'm happy with the way it turned out. The kit came with a plastic part to make it look tidier, but I left it off. I think it would just be a place for scum to hide under.
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Small frame size? On my SLR frame 58" I have no issue with two big chill bottles. Sure it is a bit of a tight fit but I'm only switching bottles out once on a 3.5 hr or less ride. Use front bottle until dry then switch out bottles.
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Small frame size? On my SLR frame 58" I have no issue with two big chill bottles. Sure it is a bit of a tight fit but I'm only switching bottles out once on a 3.5 hr or less ride. Use front bottle until dry then switch out bottles.
Mine's a 56cm. It worked, but I do like having a little more room on top.
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