This ^^^
Shoota you can confirm what Grambo said which I agree with by contacting Praxis and asking them. Circlips are removed for the sleeve.

well I can sure ask them but if they say a c-clip bb is necessary for their bb to work then I would think it is necessary.

maybe I'm not understanding the docs. It says it only works in bb that utilizes a c-clamp which my frame doesn't have. My bb has two levels. The first level is what the bearing sits in, the middle of the shell is much wider after the lip for the bearing. I should've taken a picture, dang it.
http://www.praxiscycles.com/wp-conte...RAME-GUIDE.pdf

Do you have a link that says that? The Praxis sleeve with NOT fit with circlips in place. The ID of the circlips is smaller than the OD of the sleeve. Where are you getting your information?

So shoota, tell us exactly what kind of BB shell you have. What ID? What width? No grooves for circlilps? Help us understand what you have. The adapter may require a shell that takes circlips, but it surely doesn't install with the clips in place. There should be a sleeve for your ID whether circlips are involved or not.

It has to be a removable c clip system. To install the Praxis BB you would remove the c clips. The issue may be that rather than c clips u have a lip machined into the bore in which case the Praxis bb will not work. If it is a smooth bore it will work.

This is the bearing I found out works for me, as I just went through this same thing this weekend. CHROMIUM STEEL BEARING KIT FOR TRUVATIV GXP

I was recommended to change cranks by 2 shops, they were stumped with getting my set-up to work. I run a praxis-works bb and it works pretty well now.

No circlip, not smooth bore. That's what I'm trying to get at. There are all sorts of different levels or diameters inside that shell.

So they allow the threaded bb cups to screw in?

I think I see what you are saying. If your BB does not have circlip and it is BB30 then there is a hard shoulder inside the BB bore with ID too small to fit the Praxis sleeve through. Makes sense. So you are back to making BB30 work.
Good luck.

Well I am not too good at fully understanding bb, but this is what is in the frame now. http://fitwerx.com/wp-content/upload...om-Bracket.png

And with the help of a close friend the bearing were pressed in (only NDS) and the fit seems to work out.

That's what I'm saying. Damn it.

That is common for BB30 but not PF30. Are there no grooves in the diameter that clips could slip into?

Nope, no clips. Just a hard carbon shoulder the bearings get pressed against.

Basically a permanent alternative to clips. You, my friend, are screwed.

Not really. The OP is swimming upstream. His frame is designed for a BB30 crank and not the GXP crank he is trying to retrofit.
He can still make it work...just needs the correct Whl Mfg spacers or buy the correct BB30 crank...latter is what the frame is designed for.

What model SRAM crank? What year?

Your frame is not the same as the OP's. A Praxis BB will not fit in his frame.

They recommended this one but if it is just as wide as the other adapter then it will hit the shell too. Unless it is shorter... hmm.
BB/PF30 Universal Adapter for 22/24mm Spindle Cranks (SRAM/TruVativ)

sram red ds, rival stages nds. GXP from a few years ago.

Sure, I meant if he insists on using the 86 mm crank and for some reason can't find the right adapter.

Screw it. I put the Cannondale BB30 crank back on, I'll just have to get a new Stages power meter for it. It'll wind up costing me a little more but the whole thing will be lighter, stiffer, I can finally switch to mid-compact rings (110bcd), and I won't have to mess with adapters. Thanks for all your help guys. Hopefully others will read this in the future when they will inevitably need the same help.

How about this: BB30 Outboard Angular Contact BB for 24/22mm Cranks (SRAM, Truvativ, Etc.) - Black

Would this work?

It might. That actually looks pretty promising but I'm probably not going to find out :)

Well a Stages Power meter retails for $700...no doubt you can find it for less. But to not use your existing Power Meter because you have the wrong Wheel Mfg Adapters just seems silly to me when $25 gets you back on the road. $25 adapters versus $700 Stages Power Meter.
Good luck

Hi,

I have not read all the replies, tldr. But maybe I can help.

I work in a shop that sells cdales, and I have an EVO with a wheelsmfg adpater running a gxp crank.

Firstly, make sure you have the right adapter, there is pf30 and bb30. EVO uses pf30, which is the press in plastic/alu cup. bb30 bearings press direct in the the frame's alloy shell with circlips to hold them in place.

Next, the stock wheelsmfg adapter requires the use of flat spacers to take up the slack, but these are no good, they don't hold bearing preload good enough.

They can be too tight, like your case in the first post.

Or too loose, causing creaks.

This is why most pressfit systems rely on a wavy washer to provide correct bearing preload.

So what I did on my bike is to use all the adapter without any slim washers, and take up the slack with a 24mm wavy washer on the drive side. This has worked well for me. I place it on the drive side to get the Q factor even.

You can buy this 24mm washer from a SRAM dealer, as this is the washer used for pressfit gxp.

Hope this helps.

I already have a Stages power meter. So selling that one and using the money to buy the Cannondale one won't cost me much. Not to mention I could get my preferred length of 172.5 this way too. And not mess with adapters, and it's lighter, stiffer, compact bcd, blah blah

Thanks for the info.
Re: the item in BOLD: The new EVOs use BB30, they don't have an alloy shell and this is the problem, it's a different design. There is no slack to take up with the adapter, it's either too loose or too tight, there's no in between.

Maybe you didn't understand my reply.

EVO is PF30, CAAD 10 for example is BB30. Cannondale spec sheet may say EVO is "BB30" but it's a PF30.

PF30 is not the same as BB30.

For GXP, wheelsmfg used to make EITHER BB30 OR PF30 adapters. And then later introduced the universal kit.

So make sure you have the PF30 or the universal kit. The BB30 adapter will not work for EVO.

Then, use a 24mm wavy washer instead of the slim washers to get correct bearing preload.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=460440

I literally just edited my above reply. The new EVOs use BB30, not PF30.

Nope, EVO is PF30. It's not a special "BB30 without and alu shell"

Here's the original bottom bracket for the EVO, as you can see it's PF30.

Cannondale PressFit BB30 PF30 Bottom Bracket Shell, Bearings, Shields - KP197

huh I guess they forgot to put an alloy shell in my frame and accidentally stuck a giant "BB30" sticker on it.