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Old 06-29-15, 01:44 PM
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Lightweight carbon baby carrier

So, I've been working my legs lately. Last year, 700 km in 6 days at 40 kph average with a simple MEC trailer while drafting a group of friends I've been racing with for 10 years.
100 km rides last week in uphills with a double Cheetah 2 carrier from Chariot with my 2 y.o and 7 months old boys.
Next year we'll be adding the 3rd kid in the cycling train. My wife is happy right now because she manages to follow me when drafting the double trailer, next year I wanna add those carrier that mount on the road bikes. Anyone has used those and have suggestions?
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Is it April Fool's already?

I have the Bell Co-Pilot. Works well, but you need rack braze ons.
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pretty much any kid safe seat will require legit rack braze ons as they need to support 20-45lbs.

Get a weehoo to tow behind the wife and let the 3yr old pedal.
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Ok I'll bite. Is pulling your children in a trailer behind you at 25 miles per hour in a paceline really a good idea? And how are you going to carry enough supplies for you and those kids for three + hours of riding. The water you will need will weigh almost as much as the trailer.
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What kind of idiot pulls kids in a trailer at those speeds with a group?
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40kph for 6 days pulling two kids in a Chariot? Incredible.

As in, this is not credible.
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Get trailers for the rest of your group. That way they can all drag one of your kids. It will slow them down from their normal 50kmph average so you and wifey can keep up. This way if group wrecks couple of you should survive.
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Too funny
Could you imagine though if someone was so stupid and self centered to actually mean it lol?
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I've definitely been thinking about one of these...that way you can race a crit and not have to find a babysitter. Might be worth contacting them to see if they can build a three seater.




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Originally Posted by chupalt View Post
I've definitely been thinking about one of these...that way you can race a crit and not have to find a babysitter. Might be worth contacting them to see if they can build a three seater.




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Originally Posted by spdracr39 View Post
Ok I'll bite. Is pulling your children in a trailer behind you at 25 miles per hour in a paceline really a good idea? And how are you going to carry enough supplies for you and those kids for three + hours of riding. The water you will need will weigh almost as much as the trailer.
Well since it's an organized tour there is a lunch after 50 kms and my wife breastfeeds so we had the bottle of milk for the older one in the trailer and he serves himself and the younger one gets his chunk of breastfeeding every 3 hours like he's used too.
And deceleration from a frontal impact having your baby in your car at 100 kph is 10 times more likely to kill your baby than you crashing at 40 kph in a bike trailer.
Velocity gets the total energy at the square level. Riding with a group you have been riding for 10 years is not what I'd call unresponsible and I know them so much that they were the ones pulling the trailer the afternoon after the lunch.

Anyways the point is not about inquiring if you think it's secure or not, I can judge myself. I just need to find out a good carrier that you can mount on the back of the rear seat.
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Advice around these parts don't come without a small dose of judgment, you'll find.

I thought it was troll post, but maybe you're being serious. Don't have any suggestions. All the child carriers I've see are the standard plasticky ones. But I don't know why a few hundred grams would make much of a difference anyway. The weight of the child is much, much heavier than the carrier itself.

Maybe some ultra-chic Euro retailer might carry something like this. I doubt you'll find it here in Canada.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Advice around these parts don't come without a small dose of judgment, you'll find.

I thought it was troll post, but maybe you're being serious. Don't have any suggestions. All the child carriers I've see are the standard plasticky ones. But I don't know why a few hundred grams would make much of a difference anyway. The weight of the child is much, much heavier than the carrier itself.

Maybe some ultra-chic Euro retailer might carry something like this. I doubt you'll find it here in Canada.
The same reason weight weinies spend 10 grands for a replacing every bolts by titanium ones and put carbon shifters when they are 20 pounds overweight.

I used to race a lot and do many crits, now the weight of the children make me at the same level as my wife on the ground but on climbing some baby carriers may vary as much as 20 pounds between them, this make a huge difference actually.
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The same reason weight weinies spend 10 grands for a replacing every bolts by titanium ones and put carbon shifters when they are 20 pounds overweight.
Are you saying you are such a person?

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I used to race a lot and do many crits, now the weight of the children make me at the same level as my wife on the ground but on climbing some baby carriers may vary as much as 20 pounds between them, this make a huge difference actually.
Twenty pounds is considerable. But I'm quite skeptical. The two child carriers I've owned for my three children are about 7-10 pounds, maximum, so when you say 20 pounds difference I say I don't think so.

As I said, the weight of the child, and I carried them as old as four years old, makes up the bulk of the weight. Mine were all around about 35 pounds at four years of age.
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Sorry, you are talking about a trailer, but referred to a carrier. I re-read your post and you are referring to a carrier.

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The same reason weight weinies spend 10 grands for a replacing every bolts by titanium ones and put carbon shifters when they are 20 pounds overweight.

I used to race a lot and do many crits, now the weight of the children make me at the same level as my wife on the ground but on climbing some baby carriers may vary as much as 20 pounds between them, this make a huge difference actually.
Not to be judgmental or anything....
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Originally Posted by f4rrest View Post
What kind of idiot pulls kids in a trailer at those speeds with a group?
I did it once. Once a year they do a ride on the Parkway from Williamsburg to Yorktown, with the road closed to car traffic. We did it once on our tandem, with our 6 year old daughter attached on a trail-a-bike, and burley trailer attached to the trail-a-bike, with our two friends children in it. We pulled a paceline in the low to mid 20's.

We could actually move pretty fast once up to speed, on flat ground.

Probably not the brightest thing I ever did, but it made for great photo ops.

And while we could do 40kph, no friggin way we could sustain that for any distance, or come close to averaging it.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
I did it once. Once a year they do a ride on the Parkway from Williamsburg to Yorktown, with the road closed to car traffic. We did it once on our tandem, with our 6 year old daughter attached on a trail-a-bike, and burley trailer attached to the trail-a-bike, with our two friends children in it. We pulled a paceline in the low to mid 20's.

We could actually move pretty fast once up to speed, on flat ground.

Probably not the brightest thing I ever did, but it made for great photo ops.

And while we could do 40kph, no friggin way we could sustain that for any distance, or come close to averaging it.
Yeah, the "train" is probably the way go, quite superior to putting a kid on your bike...for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is much better handling.

When I haul three, I use my Tanjor Aero inline 2-seater trailer (which, when pulling it alone, I've been quite comfy at speeds well north of 20mph) in conjunction with a Chariot Sidecarrier sidecar. Really nice getup, but the sidecar does increase frontal area significantly, and is perhaps not the best long distance/high speed hauling option when compared to a trailer or other in-line seating options.

Like the Tanjor, Sidecarrier is out of production, but still may be worthwhile to keep an eye out for on the used market, as would a Tanjor, particularly one of the 3-seat Aero trailers, which is the most elegant solution for how to pull three kids fast.

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This reminds me of the guy who (successfully) sued Cannondale back in the late '70s because the manual that came with his Cannondale trailer didn't explicitly warn him that cornering at speed on a steep downhill grade could result in the trailer overturning and injury of his child.
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This reminds me of the guy who (successfully) sued Cannondale back in the late '70s because the manual that came with his Cannondale trailer didn't explicitly warn him that cornering at speed on a steep downhill grade could result in the trailer overturning and injury of his child.
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Originally Posted by dr_max View Post
So, I've been working my legs lately. Last year, 700 km in 6 days at 40 kph average with a simple MEC trailer while drafting a group of friends I've been racing with for 10 years.
100 km rides last week in uphills with a double Cheetah 2 carrier from Chariot with my 2 y.o and 7 months old boys.
Next year we'll be adding the 3rd kid in the cycling train. My wife is happy right now because she manages to follow me when drafting the double trailer, next year I wanna add those carrier that mount on the road bikes. Anyone has used those and have suggestions?
They make helmets for 7 month olds?
Aren't their undeveloped skulls amazingly susceptible to injury at that age? Helmet or not.
Still fairly certain the OP is having a bit of fun.
That or maybe his parents did too much racing back in the day with him tied to a bike lol.
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They make helmets for 7 month olds?
Aren't their undeveloped skulls amazingly susceptible to injury at that age? Helmet or not.
Still fairly certain the OP is having a bit of fun.
That or maybe his parents did too much racing back in the day with him tied to a bike lol.

This is just a bad idea.

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I started hauling both my kids very young, probably around 5mos or whenever it was they could keep their head up. I did not attempt to fit a helmet until much later, like 1.5-2yr. Having kds wear helmets in bike trailers does not seem like a rational concern to me. I did take precautions againts sharp jolts and hard jostling, such as low tire pressures, foam seat pads, side- and head braces, and careful, slower riding speeds.

Here's the setup I had for both my kids, in the Chariot sidecar. The bracing system may have been Chariot, too, but I had to adapt it for the Sidecarrier, both with the strapping and additional pad spacers (seen on either side of the headrest. Worked great. I don't think my son's inability to focus and uncontrollable bursts of rage are related to head damage in any way...

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I suppose I'm still wondering when they came out with lightweight carbon babies. Are they stronger, stiffer, more laterally stiff and vertically compliant than regular babies? Do they asplode in a crash?
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