Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

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It's a funny sport...

Old and new, steel is real, custom butted hydroformed alloy, "Made in Taiwan" all will mean different things to each of us about what's best but chances are no matter what at least the fork blades on any serious road bike will be carbon and if you can afford it so will be the wheels and if you want the very latest technology those wheels may be tubulars not clinchers and cost twice what most will spend for their next road bike.
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... and at the end of the day, it's great to be outdoors, feeling the wind in your face and taking in the scenery while you crest that hill.
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Funny you say all this lighten up stuff ( carbon forks[also for shock, I know], carbon wheels). Just this morning I put back on the bike a 4.5 lb Kryptonite U Lock because I find training/ exercising with it on pays dividends and I really notice it when I take it off. I was better prepared for my longest ride to date with the most hill climbing.


Light may be right for racing but there are times when heavy and steady fit the bill.

Of course, there is something to be said about the real feel of steel.
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Say what now?
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and your message is??? Oh, I like pie.
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pie, and commas.
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My bike doesn't have a carbon fork...and I think it is a serious road bike.
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Old is new again --e.g., 2016 Madone with centerpull brakes.
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The best fork I've ever ridden is steel. Of course, that's my own personal opinion but, you won't get me to back down. I've ridden many different forks of different flavors. Nothing has come close to that 1 fork.
As far as wheels are concerned, I love a good set of carbon wheels but, I have a set of vintage Mavic tubulars with campy hubs that feel pretty amazing, too. All depends on the situation.
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My forks are stainless. So are my spoons.
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Originally Posted by Fly2High View Post
Funny you say all this lighten up stuff ( carbon forks[also for shock, I know], carbon wheels). Just this morning I put back on the bike a 4.5 lb Kryptonite U Lock because I find training/ exercising with it on pays dividends and I really notice it when I take it off. I was better prepared for my longest ride to date with the most hill climbing.


Light may be right for racing but there are times when heavy and steady fit the bill.

Of course, there is something to be said about the real feel of steel.
The only training benefit to adding weight is placebo.
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...and if you want the very latest technology those wheels may be tubulars not clinchers...
Well that's just not true at all.

Not only is tubeless both the very latest tech and clincher, tubulars are, in fact, the oldest tire tech extant.
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I like the new technology. It makes the bike feel 'fast', even when standing still. I don't have the newest tech on my own bikes, but I still appreciate it.

I like my Specialized Roubaix, but I love my 1987 Gardin. Seven-speed cassette, 1980-era 105s, DT shifters, quill stem, stainless fork, single-pivot brakes. It's not the lightest. It doesn't feel all that fast, even though the geometry is pure racy. I love the ride.

Actually, I was thinking of throwing on a 9- or 10-speed cassette on it just to change things a bit. But one part of me wants to preserve that 'vintage' feel of a 7-speed.
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in every sport I have been involved in people will always look for the holy grail. It is always an "arms race" of one sort or another. I am a fly fisherman, competitive shooter, cyclist, and hiker. I was also heavily involved in black and white landscape photography. It is the same in all of those things and I am sure many others. Always looking for an edge.

In cycling every little thing adds it incremental benefit but those are very small. most people will try to take 1 lb off there bike when they could more cheaply take 10 pounds off of their body.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
and if you can afford it so will be the wheels and if you want the very latest technology those wheels may be tubulars not clinchers
I think you think you know more about bikes than you do. (As someone else pointed out, there is a difference between tubular and tubeless, with the former having been around the longest.) But don't let that stop you.
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I think you think you know more about bikes than you do. (As someone else pointed out, there is a difference between tubular and tubeless, with the former having been around the longest.) But don't let that stop you.
I think you might be interested to read about the latest $3,300 carbon wheels that come with tubulars (i.e., sew-ups), not clinchers or tubeless tires. If so, have a look at the latest issue of Peloton.
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The only training benefit to adding weight is placebo.
yep.

quite simply, the only thing that will make you stronger is riding harder.

if adding weights to your bike somehow makes you work harder, cool, go ahead, but realize that the only reason you push harder with weights on is psychological.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
Old and new, steel is real, custom butted hydroformed alloy, "Made in Taiwan" all will mean different things to each of us about what's best but chances are no matter what at least the fork blades on any serious road bike will be carbon and if you can afford it so will be the wheels and if you want the very latest technology those wheels may be tubulars not clinchers and cost twice what most will spend for their next road bike.
Actually my hoops are King R45 hubs laced to HED rims...and the kiddies with their 60mm carbon hoops regret their life choices in the crosswinds, while I barely notice them.

What was your point?
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The only training benefit to adding weight is placebo.
why not? athletes sprint with parachutes and elastic tethers. baseball swing on the deck with ring weights added to their bats.
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It seems that cycling, more so than any other sport, has more participants who seem to be more obsessed about the equipment, than about enjoying the actual sport! Which is ironic, because cycling is probably the sport where the equipment matters very little.

For those of us who aren't racers, if we'd stop trying to act like little racer boys, and just enjoy our rides; and be more concerned with the scnery and feel of the breeze on our cheeks; and just getting out and getting exercise in an enjoyable form, we'd be 10 times better-off than if we obsess over our bikes and stupid displays on gadgets.

It's also ironic that all the encumbrances in cycling were largely created by the cycling industry...and yet, many times, it is those very things which ruin the enjoyment of the sport. I guess to the cycling industry, it is better that you should just buy their stuff, than to enjoy your ride. If you don't enjoy your ride, they'll convince you it is because you don't the right/good-enough stuff...so you'll buy more!
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I see about 3 different and somewhat interrelated ways the market looks at new technology: some want the best, whatever it is, and probably for a lot different reasons; others want the best for the money, and the amount of money is personal and pretty much arbitrary because you pretty much can expect value for value up to a certain point that likely is higher than most buyers want to spend; and then there's the rest -- the majority -- who want to be pleased with what they've got and for a lot of different and mostly personal reasons, probably feel like they already have the best.

Still, the question remains: what's best. And, from what I see, some of the old ideas are being recycled (e.g., centerpull brakes) into a new generation of must-have products, marketed to be on the bleeding edge of new technology and aimed at early-adopters who have the interest, enthusiasm and cash to participate in the latest trends, some of which will become the mainstream of tomorrow.

I think bicycling has always been that way. Ti frames primarily took off because a lot of engineers who were cashiered out of the industrial-military complex years ago had to start a new life, mid-life, and followed their interest in bicycle technology.
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I think you might be interested to read about the latest $3,300 carbon wheels that come with tubulars (i.e., sew-ups), not clinchers or tubeless tires. If so, have a look at the latest issue of Peloton.
???

Carbon tubulars existed well before carbon clinchers and tubeless carbon clinchers.

Or is this one of those, "people don't need this/that because I can't afford it" threads?
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Pfffsnortle! Well played.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
Old and new, steel is real, custom butted hydroformed alloy, "Made in Taiwan" all will mean different things to each of us about what's best but chances are no matter what at least the fork blades on any serious road bike will be carbon and if you can afford it so will be the wheels and if you want the very latest technology those wheels may be tubulars not clinchers and cost twice what most will spend for their next road bike.
And your point would be "What is best?"

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Interesting too what's going on with tires --e.g., Orbea foots its endurance M30s with Vittoria Rubino 700x23 60TPI but for its performance M10s it's, Challenge Forte Race 700x23 120TPI. Trek likes 23s on it's Madone carbon road bikes but a lot of the 2015's aluminum bikes --e.g., CAADs and Felt, come with 25s. But, Trek's venerable 520 steel tour bike goes for the overkill with, Bontrager AW1 Hard-Case, 700x32c. Meanwhile, more performance-seeking triathletes are opting for carbon disks, well-heeled with classical tubulars.
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