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Old 08-01-15, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ILUVUK
I am not religious. And you've now completely avoided the question. Good job.
I didn't think a straight answer like "no" could be considered avoidance by ANYONE. Are you deliberately confusing? what does "not religious" mean... anyway?
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I didn't think a straight answer like "no" could be considered avoidance by ANYONE. Are you deliberately confusing? what does "not religious" mean... anyway?
No, but you are. The number 1 tactic by someone who can't answer a simple question.

Not religious...I'm an atheist.
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Originally Posted by DaveWC
I thought I was pretty specific. Too specific apparently. In your opinion, what is a fair sentence for the person who kills a human due to texting or drunk driving?
Well I don't know? Should we Kill the person... maybe a bullet in the head? That sounds fair doesn't it? Eye-for-an-eye.... I think it's called. How about the person that supplied the texting technology or the person that sold/made the alcohol. I think they may deserve something along the same line of punishment.... wouldn't you think?

OR.... we could try that new form of punishment exercise.... by a jury of peers. Kind'a new.... only been in use for a couple hundred years or so. A blink of an eye in historic terms. Yeah... that would be my choice one of those two.
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I don't think it should be optional. VOLVO has shipped cyclist and pedestrian detection and automatic braking for 6 years now.
Um, yeah, sure that's real helpful.
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Originally Posted by ILUVUK
Not religious...I'm an atheist.
OK... I see now why you suspect others might not be direct. You don't get to the point so you think others won't ether.

The point is.... this punish/reform idea is historically pretty new. And if you study it just a little you soon learn no one has learned to make it work. What has become accepted practices.... DO NOT WORK!

So if we make killing a cyclist a death sentence... cyclist will NOT be safer... and your car driving children and parents become just slightly more likely to receive a death sentence. That's what I call lose, lose.
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Could easily happen to any of us...

That stupid (word that rhymes with runt) should never be allowed to drive a car again and spend a generous amount of time in jail.

Its not hard, when your driving a car put your damn cell phone down and pay attention!
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Originally Posted by DaveWC
... In your opinion, what is a fair sentence for the person who kills a human due to texting or drunk driving?
If texting and drinking are at the root of the problem..... we should ban BOTH texting and drinking. Don't you think? OR... if you think about it... we could eliminate bicycling fatalities over-night with just ONE new law or executive action.

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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter
OK... I see now why you suspect others might not be direct. You don't get to the point so you think others won't ether.

The point is.... this punish/reform idea is historically pretty new. And if you study it just a little you soon learn no one has learned to make it work. What has become accepted practices.... DO NOT WORK!

So if we make killing a cyclist a death sentence... cyclist will NOT be safer... and your car driving children and parents become just slightly more likely to receive a death sentence. That's what I call lose, lose.
Perhaps I didn't get directly to my point...fine, whatever, but DaveWC got directly to his point and I would very much like to hear a response from you that clearly addresses his question. What do you think an appropriate punishment is for someone that kills a cyclist while texting behind the wheel?
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter
we could try that new form of punishment exercise.... by a jury of peers.
Ok. Let's say this forum represents a good cross-section of peers...

Originally Posted by bassjones
if you cause death or injury, you should serve jail time.
Originally Posted by exime
She better be going to jail for a long time.
Originally Posted by rms13
Cell phone distraction needs to be treated like drunk driving.
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If while on this list you have a second offense then there is mandatory jail time.
Originally Posted by bikemig
The driver needs to spend some time in jail.
You didn't seem happy with this method of determining what a just punishment would be. Why do you think a jury of peers wouldn't react to the same "fear" of being killed needlessly by some drunk/texting driver?
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter
If texting and drinking are at the root of the problem..... we should ban BOTH texting and drinking. Don't you think? OR... if you think about it... we could eliminate bicycling fatalities over-night with just ONE new law or executive action.

In your opinion, what is a fair sentence for the person who kills a human due to criminally negligent driving?
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Originally Posted by DaveWC
In 1982 26,173 were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. In 1992 there were 18,290. One of your premises is that the harsh sentences imposed these days are ineffective. The statistics suggest otherwise.
Interesting.... these studies can be hundreds of pages in length... often with numerous reference to other studies. It can take me days to get an understanding of a full study. Yet some think it all boils down to a single quote.

I was an adult for every one of those years... and many before 1982. There was a LOT of things that happened and changed. You just trying to only credit punishment when I can assure you.... no study has. That is a simple minded argument... well below any public standard.
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Originally Posted by DaveWC
In your opinion, what is a fair sentence for the person who kills a human due to criminally negligent driving?
Please define "fair sentence".
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No. You define it based on your opinion on the subject.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter
Please define "fair sentence".
You're making this needlessly difficult by not answering a straightforward question. I don't think it can be much clearer than this, but if you had to hand down a punishment for someone who killed another human being while texting behind the wheel or drunk driving, what would that punishment be?
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