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Old 08-07-15, 01:37 PM
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Welp, you don't see that every day.



Right through the carbon—you can see a splinter of it on the ~10 o'clock arm. At a guess, let this be a warning that one should aaaaalways use their torque wrench.
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Ouch. What crank arms are those?
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They're 10-speed SRAM force with electrical tape over them, since the bike is generally black/gold and the white didn't fit well in that area.

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It's odd(-ish)... I haven't messed with these bolts in about a month, and I didn't feel like they were too tight, though clearly that's much more qualitative than it is useful. The bolts would come loose, so I just took them out, added some loctite, and tightened them back up to ~the same torque as they'd been before.

I was riding home in a drizzle last night and had a chain drop a block from home, which was super surprising because I hadn't experienced one of those in a loooong while. I walked it home, went to the gym, and went to clean my drivetrain up when I got back, and then noticed this. Bleeeech.


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Everyone else seems to be on board, but I haven't the slightest idea what you are trying to show us. Could you just maybe say it? Sometimes a word is worth a thousand pictures.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one in the dark. My real question is who would think electrical tape has a better appearance than factory white decals
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Everyone else seems to be on board, but I haven't the slightest idea what you are trying to show us. Could you just maybe say it? Sometimes a word is worth a thousand pictures.
Same, I thought it was split in the crank arm, but that appears to just be electrical tape now. I'm lost.
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Ya, definitely not just the few of you who said they don't get it.

I *think* what I'm seeing is that the spider actually ripped thru (or half-ripped) thru the big chain ring's mounts??

Looks like the tonge/tongue mating of the spider to the large chainring is not aligned and leads me to believe that the slight displacement/offset of the spider to big ring means you toruqe thru it??

Or maybe they're designed like that and we're just seeing the result of a chain drop?

(I'm confused too)
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Something definitely looks broken in that second pic. Not sure what happened, though.
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Woah, in first pic, all 5 chainring bolts tore out of their holes? Is that what I'm seeing? Surprised everything stayed intact as it did.
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Yep, you got it, @LesterOfPuppets. Consider the five holes where the bolts attach the rings to the crank arm--the bolts tore through all of those holes (or it looks like all; I don't have a chainring tool to confirm) in a direction perpendicular to the nornal defining the holes. In other words, the bolts went right through the carbon in a direction radialfrom the circle. In yet other words, imagine the chainring being held in place, then applying a huge torque through the crank arm and the arm just ripping free of the bolts.
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I just assumed they were hollowpin bolts ??? and assumed the mating of the spider was due to the praxis rings being slightly different.

Based on the splintering comment and the second photo, I'm going to assume we're talking about this:
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Those praxis rings don't really look like they fit. Weird.
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@SpeshulEd your arrow is correct.

@spdracr39 it looks better when not seen from a foot away, I promise! https://goo.gl/photos/r8bEyF8DXgK7C3sH6
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Maybe so, but I can't see it. It looks like the Praxis rings have a larger "tab" to mount on the spider than the corresponding spider "tabs". Beyond that I can't see ****.
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great thread execution
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I'm wondering why the cr bolts are in backwards.
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I'm wondering why the cr bolts are in backwards.
From what i can tell, having the hex bits face toward the frame is either typical or not atypical.
@bt : how would you have executed it? I'm finding it difficult to precisely describe the issue; feel free to help clarify if you can.
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The slot fasteners go on the back side (bb side). The hex or torq fasteners go on the outside. Done and done.
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Originally Posted by arben
From what i can tell, having the hex bits face toward the frame is either typical or not atypical.
That's a lot like sort of likely not really, but maybe.
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That's a lot like sort of likely not really, but maybe.
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Originally Posted by arben
From what i can tell, having the hex bits face toward the frame is either typical or not atypical.
It's pretty atypical. Putting them in backwards surely had nothing to do with the crank failure, though.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
It's pretty atypical. Putting them in backwards surely had nothing to do with the crank failure, though.
I wouldn't be quite so sanguine about that.
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