Disc braked road bikes are coming
08-09-15, 09:41 PM
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I didn't say one word about Giant, YOU did. I asked a general question about how many bikes come with 10spd at the price point. Good for you, you found one. I didn't say one didn't exist.
And since the price range was revised to $1,200, you still didn't find one. You found one BELOW $1,200 that is 10spd, not one that is ABOVE $1,200 without it.
And in the spirit of debunking statements, here's a bike under $1,500 from a reputable brand with 11spd. Your statement about $1,500 being the starting point is now useless: Z85 - Felt Bicycles
Ohhhh and loooooooook. One BELOW $1k with 11spd. What now? Fuji Sportif 1.1D Road Bike - 2015
Starting point $1500 for 105?
that's when you start to get either a carbon frame or Ultegra.
And since the price range was revised to $1,200, you still didn't find one. You found one BELOW $1,200 that is 10spd, not one that is ABOVE $1,200 without it.
And in the spirit of debunking statements, here's a bike under $1,500 from a reputable brand with 11spd. Your statement about $1,500 being the starting point is now useless: Z85 - Felt Bicycles
Ohhhh and loooooooook. One BELOW $1k with 11spd. What now? Fuji Sportif 1.1D Road Bike - 2015
Starting point $1500 for 105?
that's when you start to get either a carbon frame or Ultegra.
08-09-15, 09:52 PM
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Disc braked road bikes are still coming, right?
08-09-15, 10:01 PM
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It's unfortunate that brake spec is bifurcating into:
1. very powerful disc brakes (probably more than is necessary for an average rider) vs.
2. wonky, cheap, low tolerance shimano knock-offs, ie tektro, which can't be adjusted properly and have rock hard brake pads.
Well built shimano dual pivots provide a happy medium of brakes built to close tolerances, good quality pads, with low weight. Sadly, manufacturers insist on either the cheapest spec or the flashiest spec, leaving consumers in the lurch.
1. very powerful disc brakes (probably more than is necessary for an average rider) vs.
2. wonky, cheap, low tolerance shimano knock-offs, ie tektro, which can't be adjusted properly and have rock hard brake pads.
Well built shimano dual pivots provide a happy medium of brakes built to close tolerances, good quality pads, with low weight. Sadly, manufacturers insist on either the cheapest spec or the flashiest spec, leaving consumers in the lurch.
08-09-15, 10:09 PM
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1.) Someone made a dig at someone from Florida for "probably have a double crankset with 11spd cassette".
2.) I said that most bikes these days are 11spd in an attempt to show that someone didn't buy a 2x11 bike because they needed it, but because it is the norm. The same way fuel injection in cars is the norm, it's just what you get when you buy one.
3.) You had a fit about the price point I chose, even after I revised it and gave examples.
Pick whatever price point you want, most bikes these days are 11spd. Let's take a look at what's out there (for the sake of discussion I'm ignoring the ultra low end stuff on walmart bikes):
Sram... red, force, rival, apex. 3/4 are 11spd
shimano... dura ace, ultegra, 105, tiagra, sora... 3/5 are 11spd
campy... super record, record, chorus, athena, veloce... 4/5 are 11spd
You know what it takes to be able to say "most" things are in a certain category? Any measurable quantity above 50%. Above we see 75%, 60%, and 80%. Guess what? MOST is a true statement! Go back to school!
08-09-15, 10:15 PM
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You're completely missing the point. Let me slow it down for you so you can grasp the 1st grade level concept.
1.) Someone made a dig at someone from Florida for "probably have a double crankset with 11spd cassette".
2.) I said that most bikes these days are 11spd in an attempt to show that someone didn't buy a 2x11 bike because they needed it, but because it is the norm. The same way fuel injection in cars is the norm, it's just what you get when you buy one.
3.) You had a fit about the price point I chose, even after I revised it and gave examples.
Pick whatever price point you want, most bikes these days are 11spd. Let's take a look at what's out there (for the sake of discussion I'm ignoring the ultra low end stuff on walmart bikes):
Sram... red, force, rival, apex. 3/4 are 11spd
shimano... dura ace, ultegra, 105, tiagra, sora... 3/5 are 11spd
campy... super record, record, chorus, athena, veloce... 4/5 are 11spd
You know what it takes to be able to say "most" things are in a certain category? Any measurable quantity above 50%. Above we see 75%, 60%, and 80%. Guess what? MOST is a true statement! Go back to school!
1.) Someone made a dig at someone from Florida for "probably have a double crankset with 11spd cassette".
2.) I said that most bikes these days are 11spd in an attempt to show that someone didn't buy a 2x11 bike because they needed it, but because it is the norm. The same way fuel injection in cars is the norm, it's just what you get when you buy one.
3.) You had a fit about the price point I chose, even after I revised it and gave examples.
Pick whatever price point you want, most bikes these days are 11spd. Let's take a look at what's out there (for the sake of discussion I'm ignoring the ultra low end stuff on walmart bikes):
Sram... red, force, rival, apex. 3/4 are 11spd
shimano... dura ace, ultegra, 105, tiagra, sora... 3/5 are 11spd
campy... super record, record, chorus, athena, veloce... 4/5 are 11spd
You know what it takes to be able to say "most" things are in a certain category? Any measurable quantity above 50%. Above we see 75%, 60%, and 80%. Guess what? MOST is a true statement! Go back to school!
You also "asked" (rhetorically, I know you don't know what that means, but whatever) if there are any road bikes that cost above $1k without 11 speed. The answer again, is obviously yes.
You are factually incorrect on both matters.
No amount of obfuscation (again, don't bother trying to read that term or look it up) will change the fact that you are wrong on both counts.
08-09-15, 10:17 PM
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As I pointed out before, you can't read your own posts correctly. I'll post it for AT LEAST THE THIRD TIME:
Since you can't read, "all" means 100% It is very obvious that this is incorrect.
You also "asked" (rhetorically, I know you don't know what that means, but whatever) if there are any road bikes that cost above $1k without 11 speed. The answer again, is obviously yes.
You are factually incorrect on both matters.
No amount of obfuscation (again, don't bother trying to read that term or look it up) will change the fact that you are wrong on both counts.
Since you can't read, "all" means 100% It is very obvious that this is incorrect.
You also "asked" (rhetorically, I know you don't know what that means, but whatever) if there are any road bikes that cost above $1k without 11 speed. The answer again, is obviously yes.
You are factually incorrect on both matters.
No amount of obfuscation (again, don't bother trying to read that term or look it up) will change the fact that you are wrong on both counts.
@ you for not knowing what "just about" means. HahahahhahahahMOST bikes these days come with 2x11, prove me wrong, I dare you.
08-09-15, 10:26 PM
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Again, factually incorrect. Let's take specialized's allez line. There are 9 models, and 4 of them do not have 11 speed.
Or their secteur line. There are 4 models. Exactly 0 have 11 speed.
Or road bikes sold on bikes direct. You'll find countless examples of road bikes with 7 to 10 gear cassettes.
You don't know what you are talking about. You are making wild exaggerations, and using emoticons, and laughing at your own lame jokes to cover up the fact that you can't count or define your terms accurately.
Or their secteur line. There are 4 models. Exactly 0 have 11 speed.
Or road bikes sold on bikes direct. You'll find countless examples of road bikes with 7 to 10 gear cassettes.
You don't know what you are talking about. You are making wild exaggerations, and using emoticons, and laughing at your own lame jokes to cover up the fact that you can't count or define your terms accurately.
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Who could have imagined the total derailment of this once fine thread?
08-09-15, 10:34 PM
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Again, factually incorrect. Let's take specialized's allez line. There are 9 models, and 4 of them do not have 11 speed.
Or their secteur line. There are 4 models. Exactly 0 have 11 speed.
Or road bikes sold on bikes direct. You'll find countless examples of road bikes with 7 to 10 gear cassettes.
You don't know what you are talking about. You are making wild exaggerations, and using emoticons, and laughing at your own lame jokes to cover up the fact that you can't count or define your terms accurately.
Or their secteur line. There are 4 models. Exactly 0 have 11 speed.
Or road bikes sold on bikes direct. You'll find countless examples of road bikes with 7 to 10 gear cassettes.
You don't know what you are talking about. You are making wild exaggerations, and using emoticons, and laughing at your own lame jokes to cover up the fact that you can't count or define your terms accurately.
Why do people on this forum always pull out extreme examples and act like they are the norm?
Specialized Venge, Trek Emonda, Trek Madone, BMC TMR, Pinarello Dogma, etc etc. That's what I think of when I hear "road bike". How many of those have 10spd or less?
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08-09-15, 10:41 PM
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Secteur? That's a comfort bike, not a road bike.
Why do people on this forum always pull out extreme examples and act like they are the norm?
Specialized Venge, Trek Emonda, Trek Madone, BMC TMR, Pinarello Dogma, etc etc. That's what I think of when I hear "road bike". How many of those have 10spd or less?
Why do people on this forum always pull out extreme examples and act like they are the norm?
Specialized Venge, Trek Emonda, Trek Madone, BMC TMR, Pinarello Dogma, etc etc. That's what I think of when I hear "road bike". How many of those have 10spd or less?
LMAO! A "comfort" bike! The roubaix is a "comfort" bike not a road bike. The domane is not a "road" bike it is a "comfort" bike. The defy and defy advanced are not "road" bikes since they are "comfort bikes"! Dude, you are just precious.
08-09-15, 10:52 PM
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The Specialized Langster is in their road bike section, so obviously it's a road bike. It's the ultimate original set up so must be the best. Fixed gear, no brakes.
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