Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

cyclist beaten - driver charged

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

cyclist beaten - driver charged

Old 08-25-15, 10:51 AM
  #76  
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 2manybikes
It sounds like the cyclist waved the SUV to pass and then went to the middle of the lane. Sounds stupid. I can see why the driver would take it as a deliberate attempt by the cyclist to be a pain in the butt. Still no reason for a fight.
I have had many instances where I waved a hesitant driver by because I know I will soon be in a situation where they cannot pass. When they still hesitate, eventually you have to say "you snooze you lose" I take your protection in your hands.
RVARider is offline  
Old 08-25-15, 10:54 AM
  #77  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 37,894

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 134 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5351 Post(s)
Liked 1,788 Times in 1,015 Posts
I repeat my earlier post. None of what happened before is material to the assault itself which is what the driver is charged with. As for the traffic citations, that's between him, the officer and the court.

It's a simple case of assault. Without looking it up, I gather that it was aggravated or raised to 2nd degree because the victim was down and unable to defend himself.

NOTHING that happened before justifies the assault and probably the only defense would be that the cyclist swung first. (note the subjunctive)
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 08-25-15, 10:54 AM
  #78  
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mlamb01
The cyclist in question here rides in a club that I ride with. Saturday afternoon he sent an email to our listserv, telling us what had happened to him. He saw the news story, and sent this reply to us:

One discrepancy. I did not flag the driver to pass me. I motioned him to back off when he aggressively tailgated me while repeatedly honking his horn. Shortly thereafter he clipped me as he attempted to pass causing the crash.

So to be clear, he did not wave for the motorist to pass him. Also, I think the driver picked up his whole bike and threw it into the woods, not just the tire.
and here is the missing piece to put it all on the driver
RVARider is offline  
Old 08-25-15, 11:37 AM
  #79  
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Campag4life, I happen to know the cyclist in this incident. His statement was incorrectly recorded by the police and subsequently has been mis-reported by news outlets. The cyclist did not waive the driver through, but rather alerted the driver to hold back because they were both entering a blind curve. He took the road to prevent the driver from trying to pass and potentially swerve into him if another car was found to be approaching (which I believe is what happened). Also, the cyclist in this incident is an ex-Marine, there is ZERO doubt that he could not have administered the "old fashioned beat down" in short order, even with broken ribs, leg and elbow. Instead he show great restraint, probably knowing that he would not have helped his case to take legal action if he had beaten the driver senseless.
levgon is offline  
Old 08-25-15, 11:42 AM
  #80  
Portland Fred
 
banerjek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,548

Bikes: Custom Winter, Challenge Seiran SL, Fuji Team Pro, Cattrike Road/Velokit, РOS hybrid

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked 52 Times in 34 Posts
Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia
The assault on an injured individual is the real issue. It is evidence that the motorist has some serious anger issues.
There is a certain kind of person who thinks people deserve to be injured or killed just for annoying them. It may be my imagination, but it seems to me that a disproportionate percentage of these people have issues with bicycles.

Just yesterday when I was riding home, a Corolla kept drifting into the bike lane. It seemed intentional but I couldn't tell for certain. In any case, he was in the lane too much for me to pass. After about a quarter mile, he suddenly pulled in on me, lay on the horn, and deliberately attempted a right hook, stopping right in my path. No biggie -- I'm always ready for the right hook, especially when someone is driving like a jerk. If I were on a crappier bike, I would have considered bouncing lightly off the side of the car so he could lose a little paint.

I rarely engage motorists, but for some reason, I decided to speak to him, saying only "If you're going to intentionally pull in on me, at least signal...." He either works for my institution or was visiting, so I'll keep an eye out for him.
banerjek is offline  
Old 08-25-15, 11:51 AM
  #81  
Senior Member
 
eja_ bottecchia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,793
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1020 Post(s)
Liked 461 Times in 292 Posts
Originally Posted by banerjek
There is a certain kind of person who thinks people deserve to be injured or killed just for annoying them. It may be my imagination, but it seems to me that a disproportionate percentage of these people have issues with bicycles..
Exactly, well said.
eja_ bottecchia is offline  
Old 08-25-15, 11:51 AM
  #82  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 37,894

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 134 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5351 Post(s)
Liked 1,788 Times in 1,015 Posts
Originally Posted by banerjek
There is a certain kind of person who thinks people deserve to be injured or killed just for annoying them. It may be my imagination, but it seems to me that a disproportionate percentage of these people have issues with bicycles....
It's neither your imagination, nor a reality. It's just that as a cyclist, a large number of your interactions with strangers happen while you're on a bicycle. If you drove a cab you'd think people hate cabbies, and if in a truck truckers.

So it's a real perception but not reflective of a reality. It's comparable to the feeling that you get more than your fair share of sitting near noisy babies on long flight.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 08-25-15, 12:37 PM
  #83  
cowboy, steel horse, etc
 
LesterOfPuppets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: The hot spot.
Posts: 43,440

Bikes: everywhere

Mentioned: 71 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11685 Post(s)
Liked 6,615 Times in 3,485 Posts
Originally Posted by FBinNY
It's neither your imagination, nor a reality. It's just that as a cyclist, a large number of your interactions with strangers happen while you're on a bicycle. If you drove a cab you'd think people hate cabbies, and if in a truck truckers.

So it's a real perception but not reflective of a reality. It's comparable to the feeling that you get more than your fair share of sitting near noisy babies on long flight.
I'm certainly not a fan of cabbies. They engage in some bizarre driving behaviours while clacking on their cabbie computers.
LesterOfPuppets is online now  
Old 08-26-15, 09:10 AM
  #84  
Senior Member
 
ColaJacket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,892

Bikes: Fuji Sportif 1.3 C - 2014

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kc0bbq
Just ignore the troll, he'll go back to trolling about disc brakes and everyone will be happier.
So, bt stands for Big Troll?

GH
ColaJacket is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
asmac
Advocacy & Safety
50
04-27-16 07:45 PM
h2oxtc
Fifty Plus (50+)
7
06-02-14 08:11 AM
Mr. Hairy Legs
Advocacy & Safety
12
06-18-13 05:24 AM
gtragitt
Texas
9
11-10-10 08:37 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.