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indoor training

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New to the forum--please feel free to redirect me to another section if this question doesnt fit best here.
I am new to road cycling and am hooked. I live in New England so will ride as long as I can in the coming cold months but am looking at the Peloton bike to have for days of ice and snow. Was hoping to get feedback from any users.
Many thanks in advance.
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Half the cost and you can get a Wahoo Kickr, hook your road bike up and keep the same geometry. Less clutter too.
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I'd recommend instead that you get a powermeter enabled setup, as in Cycleops Phantom, and do the kind of training that is directly supportive and contiguous with your outdoor cycling.

If you find the social aspects appealing, of course get set up to post your rides on Strava, but also put Zwift on your computer and do virtual rides with others in real-time. Zwift also uploads to Strava, so like the Phantom, it's also part and parcel of what you'll build in your outdoor cycling experience.

the other alternative is to get either a power enabled smart trainer like the Wahoo Kickr or upcoming Tacx, and put your bike on it (again, Zwift will be great here), or get a "dumb" trainer which does not have a poweremeter or electronic and get a powermeter to add to you bike (either a wheel, crank, or pedal based powermeter) and ride Zwift rides that way.

Spin bikes like the Peloton thing aren't good for much beyond aerobic workouts. One of the systems I mention above can be part of a real training program.
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Hadn't heard of it. Doesn't seem suited for any type of serious training. With a little searching you'll find far better options.
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Depends on budget and goals. Lots of options. I swear by my $100 rollers.
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$50 used mag-trainer thing works well enough for me.
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It all depends upon what you wish to accomplish and how much you are able to enjoy indoor riding.

I HATE riding indoors with a passion, but, purchased a Wahoo Kickr this Winter season, as I changed job locations and the current location has a commute (48Km / 30mi in a rural area) that is far from Winter-friendly, given the poor weather and shorter daylight hours.

I have used the Kickr as a standalone trainer and also accompanying many of the computer-based programs / software that is readily available - Cycleops Virtual Trainer, Zwift, FulGaz, etc, etc. The virtual world can make the trainer a whole lot more palatable, as you can have interaction with others in real-time (Zwift), or ride over courses that are 'real-world' with video and simulated topography - so you can do hill training on real climbs - virtually.

We're nearly out of the doldrums over here, so the indoor set-up will be packed away soon and it'll be all back out on the road - purpose served.

As I said, your choice of rollers / trainer / smart trainer all depends upon what you can reasonably afford and want to achieve with your indoor experience.

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It all depends upon what you wish to accomplish and how much you are able to enjoy indoor riding.

I HATE riding indoors with a passion, but, purchased a Wahoo Kickr this Winter season, as I changed job locations and the current location has a commute (48Km / 30mi in a rural area) that is far from Winter-friendly, given the poor weather and shorter daylight hours.

I have used the Kickr as a standalone trainer and also accompanying many of the computer-based programs / software that is readily available - Cycleops Virtual Trainer, Zwift, FulGaz, etc, etc. The virtual world can make the trainer a whole lot more palatable, as you can have interaction with others in real-time (Zwift), or ride over courses that are 'real-world' with video and simulated topography - so you can do hill training on real climbs - virtually.

We're nearly out of the doldrums over here, so the indoor set-up will be packed away soon and it'll be all back out on the road - purpose served.

As I said, your choice of rollers / trainer / smart trainer all depends upon what you can reasonably afford and want to achieve with your indoor experience.

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Apps are bringing a new dimension to indoor training. Right now, via Zwift, you can ride the Richmond Worlds course 24/7 with 50+ other cyclists from around the world, from your own person-cave. And other apps (TrainerRoad, Kinomap, etc.) bring structured training or course videos to that same home trainer.

Bicycle equipment costs can range from everyday trainers plus a speed sensor, to electronically controlled power trainers like the Kickr. Then you need the computer platform, from a Bluetooth-enabled tablet to a PC or Mac with Bluetooth and ANT+ devices.

Given the cost, a new rider, especially, might not want to consider a Kickr. And not everyone enjoys technology. If you like to keep it simple, keep it simple.

Here's a little flavor of Zwift, from BF member @carpediemracing:
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Hi all
New to the forum--please feel free to redirect me to another section if this question doesnt fit best here.
I am new to road cycling and am hooked. I live in New England so will ride as long as I can in the coming cold months but am looking at the Peloton bike to have for days of ice and snow. Was hoping to get feedback from any users.
Many thanks in advance.
Mark
I think a powermeter set up, if you're spending that kind of money, would be more useful. You can get a direct drive trainer (kickr) or get a regular trainer plus a powermeter for your bike.

Zwift is pretty fun. I'm the one that made the clip above, and there's much more to Zwift than just the sprint. FOr me I have a hard time staying with others on other sections of the course, but the sprint for me is fun. Everyone seems to find something fun on Zwift.

Also, if you're in New England, there's a solid group of members from the area. With more specific location info one of the members may be able to offer suggestions on winter stuff.
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Another vote for a Kickr. It's pricey, but you can wait for a deal as they do come up once in a while (Performance 30% credit weekend - although you missed it this year, REI has a 20% member coupon, Kickr has refurb units occasionally, etc).

Zwift makes riding indoors tolerable. Since buying it last fall, I've used it year round. Sometimes when the weather is crap, you're feeling too lazy to get out the bike and prepped, or you only have an hour after work, it's easy to just hop on the Kickr and get a quick workout in. I have a spare bike attached to it, so I never have an excuse to not ride. Not to mention its use as a training tool. If I'm not using Zwift, I'll use PerfPro for an erg/power based workout. But lately I just ride on Zwift because it's a lot more fun. Seeing the same regulars on builds a sense of community and a bit of competition on the hills cannot be overstated as a real motivation tool. It's also nice to do gradient based workouts, which only erg trainers can do effectively (high power, low cadence).

That being said, if money is a factor, you might be better off getting a crank, spider, pedal, etc. based power meter and a cheap fluid or mag trainer.
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Like everyone above I also would recommend something that works with the plethora of training apps available, including zwift, TrainerRoad etc. I started using Zwift at the beginning of the summer after an injury, and am hooked! Fantastic product. I just hit 1000 miles last week.

I use a Kurt kinetic road machine with ant+ sensors and whatever required dongles are needed to connect, various devices, computer etc. Smart trainers like the kickr are super cool too, if they fit your budget and needs. I think wahoo just came out with a new smart trainer that's more affordable.

In fact even though Im healed, I do more miles on the trainer than I do outdoors, even in nice weather! Riding where I live in NYC is tough, in that there are very few options these days, where you can safely ride as hard as you want whenever you want, so the trainer becomes super convenient, especially during the week.

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Another thought. If you check out my Strava, you'll see that I only rode outside this whole year to race or to do one of about 6 "event" training rides (special occasion rides). Granted, I have a lot of saddle time so I'm reasonably fluent when riding on the road, but still, for me I've had one of my better seasons this year and I basically never rode outside.

You can separate your riding into skills and fitness. For fitness you should be able to accomplish much of what you need on a trainer. For skills you need to go and ride the bike outside, but not necessarily out on the road. At some point you have to go faster/further, but you can learn the basic skills without doing a ton of hours outside.
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Im new here and need little help. Need someone with experience about training on home bike. Im 170 height and have 63 kilograms and wanna reduce weight for few kg. Im thinking about home bikes because of lower price than treadmills. Any suggestion is wellcome. And second thing. I saw in my country branded and no name bikes. I know all manufacturer make them in China but is there any difference accept in price Should I look at Kettler or something like that or buy cheaper. I look at my country (btw Im from Sebia, Belgrade o/) this models sobni bicikli .They are all about 130 euros to 180. Its in my budget <br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />Little help from someone with any experience would be nice.
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Best thing for indoor training IME is a set of rollers with resistance, like Sportscrafters. There are other similar roller sets. Put your regular road bike on them, regular tires and wheels, etc. Add a road bike sweat guard (google) to the bike and a 24" box fan nearby. Rollers will improve your pedal stroke and bike handling skills while they hone your fitness. Cycling is not only about fitness.

Rollers are not nearly as boring as a trainer, thus some years I can put ~2000 miles on my rollers.
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Hmm, nice suggestion Carbonfiberboy. I will think about that.
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I've added magnets to my cheapo performance aluminum rollers like in this video ( not my video )

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Half the cost and you can get a Wahoo Kickr, hook your road bike up and keep the same geometry. Less clutter too.

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Rollers if you want to learn to pedal fluidly.
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The serious riders swear by rollers, but trainers, such as the Kurt Kinetic or Cycleops, are a little easier to get used to and require less concentration. I hate riding inside, and I prefer a stable platform so I can maybe let my mind wander as I watch a movie, listen to music, or (one hopes) get lost in thought. That's easier on a trainer than on rollers. I know I'm probably not getting the best workout that way, but it's hard enough to force myself down to the basement.
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People get bored and don't use their trainers as much as they should/can. The problem is of course lack of concentration, which is the reason for being bored. It is said of champions that they never let their concentration lapse. Rollers fix that problem right up. Saying that well, I don't want to concentrate sounds odd to me. Why not? If you're bothering to train, then every ride should be about performing a specific task, and that's going to mean constant concentration. Rollers keep you in the game. Of course it's possible to hold one's concentration on a trainer and not be bored, but that aspect is just easier on rollers.

It's a bit like flying on instruments: you check the cockpit in a specific pattern, an endless loop of concentration. So . . . hips rolled, back straight, shoulder blades dropped, shoulders relaxed, torso quiet, elbows bent, hand position, foot angle/position, feel the heel cups, check the muscle contractions in each quadrant, cadence, power or speed, breathing, heart rate, timer (only once in a while), and back around again. Staying up on the rollers takes the place of holding one's line and watching for hazards on the road, ordinary constant vigilance while the business of riding is going on.
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I found rollers to be fun at first, but eventually they became just a boring as the trainer.

Zwift is the first thing that makes me enjoy riding indoors. Jumping in a fast group ride or race makes it even better.
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I have both rollers and a trainer. I don't find the rollers any more 'engaging' than the trainer, apart from the first ten minutes or so after not using them for a while. I find the smart trainer in conjunction with different software to be better at making time pass quicker. I still use both, depending on what type of workout I am doing. If I could only have one I would probably go for the trainer. Those Inside Ride rollers are awfully tempting though.
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People get bored and don't use their trainers as much as they should/can. The problem is of course lack of concentration, which is the reason for being bored. It is said of champions that they never let their concentration lapse. Rollers fix that problem right up. Saying that well, I don't want to concentrate sounds odd to me. Why not? If you're bothering to train, then every ride should be about performing a specific task, and that's going to mean constant concentration. Rollers keep you in the game. Of course it's possible to hold one's concentration on a trainer and not be bored, but that aspect is just easier on rollers.

It's a bit like flying on instruments: you check the cockpit in a specific pattern, an endless loop of concentration. So . . . hips rolled, back straight, shoulder blades dropped, shoulders relaxed, torso quiet, elbows bent, hand position, foot angle/position, feel the heel cups, check the muscle contractions in each quadrant, cadence, power or speed, breathing, heart rate, timer (only once in a while), and back around again. Staying up on the rollers takes the place of holding one's line and watching for hazards on the road, ordinary constant vigilance while the business of riding is going on.
I don't dispute any of that, and I'm sure your attitude is superior to mine (that's not snark). I the winter, my goal is just to stay active and to keep from losing all of my fitness. I ride outdoors when I can, and I enjoy that. But in weather too grim to enjoy, I use the trainer. It's not part of a well-constructed training plan, it's just a way to get some exercise.
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Man, I find a good workout from The Sufferfest to be plenty of motivation to ride indoors. I think I may be just a little weird though, because I never really hated riding indoors all that much. I'd rather mountain bike in the winter, but if I'm just can't get out or the weather is super sucky, I hit the trainer and get a good workout.
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I use rollers with a krietler fork stand and fan, for resistance. I also use TrainerRoad, which has been a blast. If the workout is easy, I try to use the rollers without the fork stand, but being pretty new at this (former runner), it's a bit of a challenge.

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